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John Mac: [00:00:00] First, focus on the mindsets. What do you believe about yourself and about life? Because that's going to determine where they are going next. And then we look at, um, what are their personal qualities and skills and how we can put that into a project or an online business. We let them roll that way. They can really become themselves and they can have their own mindlessness so they can have them feed them.
Joseph: [00:00:34] You're listening to Ecomonics, a Debutify podcast. Your resource for one of the kind of insights into the world of e-commerce and business in the modern age. This is Joseph. I'll be presenting a wealth of industry knowledge from interviews, with successful business people and our own state-of-the-art research. Your time is valuable.
So let's go.
Have you heard of Chang Mai in Thailand? If you're an adept intuitive and empathetic type, you might be there. It's where today's guest, John Mac spoke to us from. This episode to be commoditized, definitely leans into the spiritual mindset element of our show. One that I feel is important to touch on when time permits. As a fullness of self is tantamount to a meaningful world around you and the ability to move forward in it.
In addition to a successful web design business, John is also a big proponent of the nomad lifestyle. Somewhat as a result of a thrust upon him at an early age. John Mac. It is good to have you here on Ecomonics. I've been, uh, looking forward to this interview. Not that I playing favorites or anything. I look forward to all my interviews, but with each one, there are a unique reasons why I look forward to them.
And there are some unique ones about this one too. So, I mean, hi, how you doing? It's good to have you here. How are you feeling?
John Mac: [00:01:48] Right Joseph, this is, um, actually a pretty late evening here in Thailand in Chiang Mai.
Joseph: [00:01:54] What time is it?
John Mac: [00:01:55] It's uh, now it's 10:00 PM.
Joseph: [00:01:57] 10:00 PM. Okay.
John Mac: [00:01:58] Just past 10:00 PM. Yeah. So this is a normal time for me, you know, this is the lifestyle.
Joseph: [00:02:02] Okay. Right on. Yeah. I mean, not to keep our notes too early on, but like I have like, I'm very like. Schedule orientated. Like I do like, um, 10 to one then break and then two to six, then break then seven to 10, then break. And then I say, I'm going to get to bed by 11, but it's anywhere between 12 and one, depending on it.
John Mac: [00:02:21] Forget about it. Yeah.
Joseph: [00:02:23] Yeah.
John Mac: [00:02:23] That's how it is.
Joseph: [00:02:24] All right. Here comes the melatonin. Yes. There's a, there's a lot I'm excited to get into. Um, and for our listeners, uh, for those of you who've been listening or chronologically, or just, you know, as often as, uh, as you can, uh, you know, that I'm a big fan of, uh, of spirituality and not just because I am a fan of it, but also because I think in, in business, we need to really be well with ourselves in words, before we can do big things out words.
And so there is reasons why I like talking about this stuff and we'll get to that. I just want it to prime me guys in advance. Uh, but first question, uh, John Mac, who tell us who you are and what do you do?
John Mac: [00:03:02] First of all, there's a much for inviting me in here today. It's a nice to share my story to more people because.
And I can tell you, um, the lifestyle of, of having freedom and to work on your laptop is getting so popular right now. And, uh, creating websites is one of the easiest ways, actually. So I guess, you know, I could, um, I like to start from the beginning. It all started when I was five it's. Um, well actually I was actually already five years old when I was born.
That's that's no, the thing is that I usually, I like to start from the beginning with my, with my story because I use it as an example of what's possible. And the thing with me is that, um, I'm pretty indirect and rough and honest about my past and childhood and how things started out because he's not really a success story.
Well, maybe it is now I would call it a success story, but it was not, it was not a, um, a really, there was not an easy start in life. So. We, um, I come from a background where we moved a lot and there was a lot of, um, you know, uncertainty. Um, my mother had a way of sometimes just disappearing. We were living with her alone a lot.
We traveled a lot and I have to say that, you know, I have a bunch of, there's a lot of black holes in my timeline. There's a bunch of stuff I don't remember, which probably is kind of a blockage safety mechanism, I guess, from my mind. Um, but according to my sister, we have been moving 32 times.
Joseph: [00:04:42] 32.
John Mac: [00:04:43] Yeah. And you know what it includes, um, that includes living in motels and, and intense at times.
So the worst times. So, um, when I got older, you know, you, you never, I never had a home place. You know, he lost everything. Basically. I lost everything all my life almost. So we moved a lot with my mother later years, we came back down to the South of Norway. And, um, it didn't go so well. My mother started drinking more, you know, and we were mostly left to our ourselves.
And then my stepfather number five came into my life. Um, and things didn't turn out so much better. Um, my mother got cancer too. After a while she died, you were sitting by her bedside at the hospital and watching her fading out. Me and my sister, um, she was taking my child welfare later. My brother got into drugs, never even really made it.
I've been living on the streets of Oslow in Norway for most of his life. You could say that, um, it was a rough beginning when I got rid of my stepfather number five, I think I was 18. I was living up on the countryside alone. Finally alone was scary in the beginning, but I was living in a shitty old house with my dog.
Um, and that was the time when I started practicing Taekwondo. For some reason I had, um, I had an. A special interest in Taekwondo, but I didn't think I could find it in Norway at that time, but we actually had, um, um, classes going on my neighbor city. So I started, uh, and it became a huge success for me.
And it probably saved me I guess, because it became, um, a life arena where when I got to practice my, probably the reason why I came to this planet, it's the way I see it, got the practice, my, my hidden qualities and skills. And after a year, and I became a helper trainer, um, me and a friend of mine that I started with we, after a few years, we became the first black belts in the club.
And I basically took over the whole club and became the lead trainer. And, um, yeah, so it's been 17 years in total, total totally lives by transforming, but you know, within Asian martial arts, one of the true, um, native martial arts, you have a lot of mindset work going on. Discipline routines and a lot of physical activity of course, and practice and practice and practice, which balances, not just your body, but your mind too, but all that administrative work as a leader was also really useful because to continue my story quickly, I could easily also say that I am not the typical, an average guy in the streets.
I don't really fit into society's norms in a typical way. The school system is shit and I'm having a job. It's not really for me, I'm trying it. I've had, I've had my jobs. I've had it for many years. I've always been good at sticking with the jobs I had. The last one, the last job I had was actually at a hotel in my city hotel receptionist in the weekends at night, with all this insane, you know, nasty shit that I had to deal with with people.
So, um, after five years I quit, um, uh, kind of had enough dealing with running a hotel by myself at night and the weekends. Um, especially after having a insane woman wanting to kill me, um, because she escaped from the solemn madhouse. And, um, I remember one time the bandleader for Bellamy brothers came naked down in reception one morning in that a chat with me before he went back up, some of the typical things at a hotel.
Joseph: [00:08:27] So somebody is dragging a TV out of there and be like, oh, it's complimentary. They expect you to take this.
John Mac: [00:08:34] Feel about coming naked down 600 in the morning. And after 10 minutes he asked, oh, by the way, do you have a towel? And the day continued so, and he wasn't even drunk. He just got lost in someone else's room.
So, but anyway, after five, uh, five years, I decided that I am not going to have a job anymore. And at that time I had already started, uh, doing some web design work. I don't have much education. Um, and I'm happy I didn't go through that system, but I did get support to have a couple of years almost immediate assign, um, um, kind of an expensive private school in my, in, uh, in my town hometown.
And it was, uh, it was a shitty school because the teachers was, we're not really on a good level. I ended up becoming a help a teacher instead, I ended up my own office after some time, um, I didn't get a job. So I started getting, you know, tried to find my own jobs and that's how it all started basically with the lifestyle that I have now.
So at this time I was running the Taekwondo club, I quit my hotel job and I jumped in the ocean and I was just hoping to swim that we'll be able to make it. And I'm still swimming. So web design, I've been my main method of having freedom.
Joseph: [00:09:51] That's a lot to take in. And as I'm listening to this story, there were some observations that I made.
And, um, the, the most, the, the most recent one that I come, when you had said that, you know, you were, um, you just jumped into the water and you quit your hotel job. It reminds me of, really, some of my own personal experience is always that fear of like, what's going to happen to me. If this doesn't work out, what's gonna happen to me.
If I, if I lose this position or if, uh, one of my dreams gets crushed or something along those lines and to not know what is the result of it on the other side, keeps people from wanting to. Make any choice whatsoever. Sometimes it's better to, uh, to not risk, to not, to not have to fail and small stories over the last 10 or 15.
Um, I guess that I've had, uh, I started this routine of like warning them that like, we might have a power outage. And before the first time we had a power outage during a call, I was petrified that it would happen. I just, I couldn't like, ah, man, please. I, how this up, what happens if it's going to serve search any other time, if I'm in the shower, no problem do it, but please not while I'm on the call.
Well, three calls later, but now, now I'm like, I have a good humor about it. I'm like, okay, well this happens. At least I know how to deal with it. And it sounds like you have this inherent fearlessness to you because you seem pretty well as bad as it's going to get. You've had some five stepfathers there, 32 ish living situations, parts of, remember, you can't recall.
Um, The first five years or like a off, um, to the point where you might as well. I started at a five. I mean, that's, that's a lot for one person to deal with. And so it sounds like that fearlessness is now like really embedded in you because, you know, I mean, at this point, what are you afraid of?
John Mac: [00:11:41] I can say that, um, there's a lot of stuff I've left out.
Um, I dunno for this type of podcast, uh, it doesn't really matter to go into the nasty details, all the scary stuff that's been happening. Um, and I think that, you know, it leaves a programming in our minds, in our bodies. It becomes a cell memory. I usually tell people I'm a hard mother bitch to hold down because I have, um, I've been dying in, you know, getting back off so many times and, um, you know, we still have fear and I think I can share this with this audience too, even though the type of both that I'm going through, um, we would probably get into some other details on the deeper stuff, but, combine these with martial arts and how you have to find your own way from when you are 15, 16, 17 years old. Um, leave some pro probably some skills people skills, especially, but you will always have, I think, and I'm trying to uncover that the last months I, by reading and educating myself, there are still some reaction patterns that I have, but it's done now actually on term now is starting to fade out a little bit.
So there are some kind of a fear, and I can, I can tell people now that I'm not even sure where it comes from. I think there must have been a few really shocking events that I probably have buried in the backyard as a hillbilly that I know even know what happened, but then the body don't forget. The subconscious don't forget in this is cell memory in this.
So it's not a big issue now, but you know, it's just, um, I deal with things in, uh, I'm I'm doing pretty good. Actually. I'm always, I've always been very emotionally stable and strong and, and, and solid in, in scary situations. And I think it comes from the past, uh, because I'm just trying myself to not freak out and all kinds of stuff.
Joseph: [00:13:42] It was only a couple of episodes ago that I said the difference between an amateur and a professional is that you can't tell when a professional is having a panic attack. Like that's true. We all, we all go through. We all go through anxieties. We all go through, um, uh, issues that can be, can be difficult to articulate.
And what I've learned, talking to people who've reached levels, um, that I aspire to is they're so human. Uh, there are still the, those, uh, those inherent fear. So when I asked, like, is there anything you were afraid of that was, you know, somewhat flippant, but it's, it's interesting to know that you've had, um, uh, a cavalcade of experiences that mean the fears that you are experiencing are, I guess, for one they're more primal, like they're, they seem to be more deeply embedded because of the things that had to imprinted at a, at an early age, uh, to the point where they're it's it takes work and it takes exploration to, uh, to dig that deep in, uh, at some point.
John Mac: [00:14:40] So, yeah, I, I could probably say it a one year, one issue that's been following me for years, which is not uncommon though, but it's the ban abandonment. Haven't been a big thing to be abandoned because I've always been abandoned. And I can also share with this audience that it just happened just a few months ago.
I lost my girl now in, in October, on a Friday, right in middle of a movie date, she just left now. It was a completely frozen and cold shock. And, uh, it's just my second relationship in this life because it's really hard for me to actually choose someone. So that's also the reason I've been diving into the deeper stuff for the last month and figure out maybe why this happens and, um, focusing on myself.
But that's, that's been the biggest fear probably. Yeah. Or as a that's something that I can call fear is to be abandoned and miss or lose someone.
Joseph: [00:15:32] I'm sorry, I'm sorry to hear that. Um, and I, and I guess because I had already, uh, unraveled that thread and by the way, listeners, I hope you all understand the nature of this conversation, I think is in the, in the course of all of the episodes that we've done.
Uh, I'm I, for one I'm much happier, uh, much more compelled to continue on this thread, because I think this is an important part of understanding human psychology and human behavior. So you guys are, you're used to this by now. You, you know what I'm about? So, uh, whatever the case is, thank you for, uh, for being there for us as well.
Um, so anyways, getting back to the thread that I had opened up, which is like, Once you've experienced something it's now, you know what it's like? And so what I will ask is having been, uh, in fearful of abandonment and then having, um, your, your, or your significant other takeoff, what other, uh, experiences or like, how has that maybe shaped some of, uh, your, your mindset? Uh, after that point.
John Mac: [00:16:26] First of all, I remembered when I was younger, I was saying that I'm never going to get married because my mother was, she tried to have a happy, married life, five times, you know, we worked out, she became one of the saddest womans I've seen, that's why she drank. And that's why cancer is produced by sadness or, or anger.
Um, that's something we know. So, so that's something to, um, to understand. Um, and I, and I guess I've been thinking that, um, I will not keep that type of energy in my system. At least. So I don't fear that it's not that if I should mention another fear would be about, I don't have that anymore, but it would be not to repeat any history of any kind.
That's why I've always stayed away from drinking almost. I don't never smoked, never done any drugs. I don't drink. Um, I can have a glass of wine or a beer, but it's very seldom. Um, but besides that, I think what's left over fear and now could probably be to not reach my goals. It's not really a fear because that creates resistance itself.
I don't know what else I would be now. It seems like I'm getting more and more solid.
Joseph: [00:17:38] It's it's, it's ongoing. Um, well, you know what, in the interest of, um, a quid pro quo I'll, I'll, I'll share, you know, one of my long standing issues, cause you say that, you know, cancer was caused by a sadness and anger. And my first reaction to that is, uh, um, one of my main issues going through, uh, my life is that, um, having been through a lot of institutional systems, school, college, uh, then, uh, held down a couple of jobs, uh, uh, here and there. Uh, I have a hard time with, uh, attacks, either perceived or actually tangible attacks. Uh, no one's ever actually got into a fight with me because most people actually think I'm crazy, but, um.
John Mac: [00:18:18] Physically.
Joseph: [00:18:18] Physically now, Hey, my, my, my brother and I, we would, uh, we would Duke it out, but you know, we're, we're brothers, we're kids.
It's. It's part it's part of that, but it's, it's all, it's all the verbal. And when somebody says, well, it's just words. I'm like, well, no, actually, no, there's physical Sonic waves that are being projected from one person to another. So it's actually very physical. And so even to this day, um, I'm like deliberately not looking at a conversation, a group conversation that I'm a part of because, um, I'm worried of someone responding to something that I said, that's, I'm going to perceive as an attack, even if it's not.
The intention seemed to have no effect whatsoever. I don't care what the intention is. If it seems like an attack, I, I, I have, I have that reaction to it. I have a huge cortisol spike, and I far far be it from anyone to expect the person that I'm talking to to have like the cure for it. But like, does that when, when that you've experienced as well, have you maybe had a chance to deal with that?
Because I imagine some of our listeners are dealing with it too.
John Mac: [00:19:17] There's two things that comes to my mind now. Um, this is an interesting topic too, and I'm going to go into, uh, a spiritual topic on that, which I guess is a more common and more, um, it's more interesting and people are more open for this now, but the first thing is, um, I could kind of feel a similar, similar thing and that would be to be afraid of, um, making sure that I don't say or do anything wrong. It's like from before is it okay that I exist? Is it okay that I'm in this room? Super afraid of saying something wrong or doing something wrong. And I can't remember that I've been physically beaten like from the father or anything, but there's been violence.
Joseph: [00:19:58] Can I just stop you for one second? Cause the one thing I did want to wonder is, um, if you ever had to defend yourself with your martial arts?
John Mac: [00:20:03] Well, I have to, not to physically.
And I think the reason is that I ended and I'm very aware of my, my energy and my physical presence. The thing is that I'm in a room, I'm basically, I'm the, I'm the boss when I claim it in, especially in situation, which I had many times at the hotel and my energy seems to have such a precedence that it just never turns out to be physical.
Um, unless it's, um, drunk people and, uh, you know, you can't really counter attack, anything, especially there, but I've had guys that have been being so close up to my face that they touched my nose tip. And I've had the threats, but I haven't had the need to do what I would do in a competition by for example, um, because that, you know, Taekwondo ispretty rough and hard it's bone crushing.
That's what we did for fun. At times we broke tile, roof tiles. That's why I've broken my fist a couple of times in my toe. And we did it again after that. So we're trying to avoid that, but I've had, um, the, the defense system is my energy and my voice in my eyes. That's all.
Joseph: [00:21:14] Again. Sorry to interrupt there with that one, but that one was kind of like jammer for awhile.
So, so going back to your other thread, you were saying that, you know, you, you had never, um, experienced any kind of, uh, physical abuse from, uh, from say they, one of the parental figures.
John Mac: [00:21:28] Not physical, more like emotional and words, like you just mentioned now. And that's why I think I maybe have some of the same reaction patterns as you have.
Now I can stand on. I mean, now I can stand on everything. I don't give a shit anymore and people just get it, you know, twice as strong back. And that's why I never got into trouble, uh, because nobody ever, you know, nobody creates. So I don't attract that kind of people either. So it's not a problem. The second thing I wanted to mention when I talk to people about a topic like this, it is that like, for, for example, for you now you have this energy scene that you're in you and your reaction pattern for a reason.
And it comes from the past. You didn't create this for fun. It comes from the past because your bodily system remembers it. That's why you react like this. What I say to people, if you want to figure this out, the source of this, you can go back in time. So normally we start to go back from our childhood, to our childhood.
We call us, you know, things happen there and we get shaped and formed by. The grownups and the surroundings and environment around us. But the case now is that we do know that you can go further back. You can count down to three, two, one, zero, or you can count backwards and you can go back to your previous life.
And you don't even know if you actually are passing over memories from your past life that are still with you. And this is not, this is nothing new to understand past life situations. And I use this in my coaching because when people understand that things doesn't just happen in this life, it happens also, we, you know, the lifetimes, suddenly people will find answers to questions they have had with personal traits and patterns.
They never figured out they have no clue where it comes from. And there's so much information about past lives now. And there's so many children's stories with where now they even find evidence, you know, so we knew and all of that, um, We, we don't, we're not just living in one life and I think we're finished.
Um, we have several lifetimes, but everything we are today is to sell mobile lives. That's why we have personalities and interests and traits passing along. So it could come from that for your own, for your, or to.
Joseph: [00:23:54] Yeah. Well, the way I came to the past life conclusion was, uh, almost like reverse engineering where one day I was just thinking about what would I do differently if I were to come back and live this life again, would I date this person instead of this person, would I get more into super smash brothers and not less, but to go to this high school and not that high school, uh, the answer to all three was, yes, I would go to different high school. Uh, and yes, that's actually like one of the main catalyst is, and then I thought, well, hold on a second. If I'm already planning out the variables for my next life experience, what's stopping this from being the life experience that I had planned prior.
Um, so some of my own theories also has to do with, and by, and by the way, um, this actually is part of what I had mentioned to you before we started recording about positive and negative, um, uh, graduation into higher dimensions of those of you maybe heard of like the raw contact for the book of Roz is where a lot of this comes from.
And one of the ideas there is that, you know, we give ourselves these experiences. The self sets up this life for us so we can learn so that we can have these experiences and take that knowledge back with us when we head back up into the, the higher dimension. So it's a bit of a, uh, of a, of a, of a sensitive, uh, um, a topic to bring to you because it would imply that yourself wanted you to have this experience so that you can, uh, have, uh, have major takeaways from it.
Do you agree or disagree? And so why do you think that, uh, what, what do you think would be like the lessons at least so far that you wanted to, uh, to teach yourself?
John Mac: [00:25:30] agree with that completely, and it's a super interesting question and something, I think it's also super useful for listeners because I have no problem with my past, with all the fuckery that's been happening.
Um, and all the people that I could say have done wrong to me. I don't hate them at all because I am chosen. That's why I, how I see this, I've chosen this timeline, this, this lifeline you could see for a reason. And when I understand that I came here on another episode in this incarnation to have a certain red thread of a topic, which could be embattlement in this life.
Everything makes sense. And when I tell people, you know, sometimes when people can take that kind of a joke, well, sorry, but you created this yourself. You know that when I say that, then when we talk about the topic, it doesn't mean that they created it on purpose a few months ago. It's a choice we made before we came here because we choose our own parents for a reason so that we can have a certain lifeline outcome, which brings about circumstances so that we can get the teachings and lessons we need and meet the people we meet.
That's why we also meet some of the same souls over and over because we are being Canadian into the same soul group. And that's why people. Walk along their life path one day and suddenly bumped into a person, the body, the, the, your higher self recognize the soul from before. And you will have instant chemical reaction or, or a love connection, or a hate connection, depending on what the past life was.
So that's why we can sometimes synchronize with people. Um, but yeah, everything, um, everything that I've happened to me even now, what happened in October with my girl, which I treated like a queen and we had a wonderful relationship, never any fuss that happened also for a reason. So, um, It doesn't make things feel better, but it makes sense.
And it helps to, to process the information and I'm in control of my life.
Joseph: [00:27:52] I'm going to shift gears. So what I want to get into is to the, the nomad lifestyle. Um, you know, we're having this call you're in, uh, Thailand right now. How, how long have you been there in Thailand?
John Mac: [00:28:00] We came first time in 2019.
Joseph: [00:28:04] 2019. Okay.
John Mac: [00:28:05] Yeah. So the story is there. There's my girl, she, uh, she's from the United States and, um, she found me on one of my YouTube videos.
Um, she then discovered my Instagram account and she found an image with a book I read by Dolores Cannon about past lives and she started chatting. She immediately came to Norway to visit, or she could only stay for three months because of tourist visa. So after three months in Norway is insane when it comes to prices and fees.
So we just abandoned the whole country. Uh, and she had done some research on Chiang Mai in Thailand, which easily comes up as a nomad, you know, a city where people like us and we left. And, um, we stayed, we ended up staying at for six months and then I, we traveled back to Norway. I packed all my crop up.
We threw away 80% of my stuff. And we went back to Thailand and we have been here now for a year.
Joseph: [00:29:08] What I'm wondering about the, the pattern of, um, going from place to place was established pretty early on. I guess, what would, what would have been the longest amount of time that you had spent anywhere? Would it have been like, uh, in Norway for like a good, a good chunk of time?
John Mac: [00:29:22] You mean for traveling like this, this type of lifestyle or?
Joseph: [00:29:25] Yeah. So, uh, there's, there's a part of it that was basically out of your control. Uh, and then we'll see if we get to the point where that's in your control. And so briefly, I'm also wondering if there was like a middle point between those two where, uh, you actually hadn't been traveling either by choice or by consequence.
John Mac: [00:29:41] Well, I can say that, you know, I've been traveling before for short trips. You know, you go for holidays and stuff like that. I had some, I had some trips, um, that was, you know, you feel like you're in control and it's nice to, to travel and stuff. But this time when we actually found that we had to get out of the whole shame zone.
That was not fun at all. It was super scary because the only thing we had to going to Thailand was a three day Airbnb. And we had no clue where to live. That was not fun at all, because the problem is with me then is that I always had, had the need to have control of my home place because we've been tossed around all along, you know, our whole life.
So, so my apartment in Norway, I had that for 17 years, the same apartment renting from an old lady, 17 years, I didn't move. So to suddenly, you know, just leave the country and come to Thailand when you have never been before, that was nasty, but everything's just got into flow when we came here and turned out really well.
Joseph: [00:30:48] And as you said, too, that it was like, it was, for a formatted, I guess it was it's built, expecting the, uh, the nomad lifestyle. So what is it exactly about, um, sorry, what was the name of the city again? Chiang Mai.
John Mac: [00:31:02] Chiang Mai. Okay. So, so what is it about that town that seems to encourage that particular lifestyle?
Well, I can tell you that a typical thing for people that come here, like people like us, it is seekers. So when we talk about the spiritual topics, it's a, it's a, it's a kind of a perfect blend and mix. Mix of those people because it's it's. And I can tell, I can, I couldn't tell you all the England people from England and all the people from the United States that I met, nobody wants to go back.
People come to Chiang Mai because it's up North in Thailand, by the way. Um, it's, it's um, it's, it's being here, but it's, you don't get the big city feeling. It's not like Bangkok, it's peaceful. It's to get energy. And, um, Thai people is wonderful. They have a totally different energy than people in Norway.
They are open. They are smiling all the ways, you know, uh, you're really welcome. Um, it's soft energy around here. Chiang Mai is a city with over 300 temples just in the city. So you can imagine that the leaves an imprint and kind of an energy grid in itself. So it is a place that I would say it's perfect for nomads because it's cheap, very cheap.
Um, but the technologies, um, top modern internet here is so much better in Norway.
Joseph: [00:32:25] Yeah, your Internet's really good. Like you're, you're under like a 1080p camera. If my eyes don't deceive me.
John Mac: [00:32:31] I mean, this is a slow line here in my condo. I'm living actually a pretty luxury condo compared to what people are used to really nice condo here on.
I pay, I pay 15,000 bucks a month, which I will try to convert to us dollars now. That would be $500 a month here for, um, a new, a new condo outside. We got a gym and we pool really a nice, like a sand garden outside that, and I'm renting an expensive place compared to what other people do. It's three minutes.
So my school to a yellow coworking space, which is brand new in enough lines. Um, online, my last coffee shop visit was 600 megabit and I got 70 here in the condo. It's a, it's a perfect place to work because, uh, do you have a people coming over to know my people? Um, they are really open. They are interesting people that are looking for some deeper meaning of life, almost everybody of them and Chiang Mai.
I have a really good blend of a good place to work, eat, live, and grow spiritually. If you want to mix your, your freelance lifestyle with more mindfulness practices.
Joseph: [00:33:41] Well, uh, I don't know about, uh, about you listeners, but, uh, that is, uh, one heck of a pitch. Like, wow, I I'm just, I never heard of the, this a city before, but one thing I wanted to get into, and I think this is as good as a transition as any is the client base that you attract.
I happen to think that some of the, the energy you put out is in its own way. It's filtering the energy that is coming to you, seeking your guidance. And that's also something that I encourage, uh, on the, on the program, as well as I don't realistically expect listeners to check out every single person that I interview.
Just, there's just not that kind of time, but I do expect listeners to check out the people that they really connect with and putting out the energy that you do. I imagine that you. You, you connect with those people. So you can just, you can tell me like, if the stats don't support that, um, but you get people who I think are more definitely in my position, uh, who are sedentary been to one place pretty much the whole time.
Um, I'm 31 years old now I've been living in this apartment for like six months and then I've been living in my parents' place for the rest of it. So for me, that routine is it's. So, um, it's, it's such a major component of my life to the point where I don't think there'll be another routine that can match that.
Like, I don't know if I live in another place for that long. Um, it's it's and, and the other thing too, is that it doesn't, um, it's, it's, it's a little harder to discern the different chapters of our lives. Like. I mean high school chapter college chapter, this job chapter, that job chapter, but it all tends to be more condensed by always coming back to the one home place.
And it was this a lot of me just kind of like spelling it. So let me just get back to the question. The question is, have you had the chance to help people maybe more in my position adopted the nomad lifestyle, um, through the coaching and through what you teach them, um, has been more like just given the tools and they figured it out for themselves.
Do P have you, do you have examples of people who actually like make that, uh, make that leap?
John Mac: [00:35:43] Yeah, I do. And it's, I can, I can tell you it's my, it's my main, um, concept of my coaching. And I can also share that it's been, it's been a challenge for me to put a name and then label of on what I do for people.
So to clarify this now, now, you know that in my, uh, my S my backstory, and also you understand that I look at reality differently. I can not have a job. I need to work for myself. I'm good at technical stuff. And computers, web design is, um, is, uh, a good method for that. But I also focus on the deeper parts of life because I'm not, I can't just live by society's shallow limiting belief, systems and norms, and what makes me happy.
And there's more and more people now that we call it, waking up. Most people have heard about that now to understand that, uh, what the government and the school system have told us is not necessarily correct. So how do I put that label on that? I mean, web design had been my main way of having freedom because it's been work is always coming to me.
I have never promoted anything. I, I don't Mark it in any way. Work is just coming in the door because of that. I could just leave Norway right then come here and I can even leave cheaper and higher quality of life. But when it comes to, um, my, the other. Life arena, which goes into mindsets and spirituality and life choices.
Um, how do I combined, how do I combine this? So, but yeah, I am. What I do for people mostly now is to first focus on the mindset. What do people, what do you believe? What do you believe about yourself and about life? Because that's going to determine where they are going next. Um, we're living in a reality where people are, most people have limited belief systems because of the system we get pushed through.
You know, school is crap without there's nothing in the school system that focuses on you, where you come from and why you're here and your personal qualities and skills self-discovery and deeper insights is not even part of it. You just pushed through the system to get a job. Mostly the, how do I combine that?
So the typical thing let's, let's let me use an example from one of my TaeKwonDo students in Norway, many of them are coming back to me the last years because they don't fit in one of them even go to therapy because school crushed him. Totally. But one of them, one of the guys, Andy, a wonderful guy that was so different that four times he was digging himself out from kindergarten when he was four, he couldn't be there.
He could never have a job. You can not go to school. It was just a mess. He ended up going into drugs because the system tried to push him through where the rest of the sheep herd and after many years of failing and being in drugs and, and uh, into drugs and, and, um, just sitting at home with his parents, he contacted me because he saw that I posted a book about Buddha on Facebook many years ago, and he reached out and he wanted to talk and I recognized him.
And I immediately, I immediately understood that. Okay. It's one of the awakened ones you do not fit in. So what I've done for him is to, um, basically it's just being a friend that was enough in, I confirmed a, a whole bunch of his understandings about life. Um, and he was, he was a fresh soul with so much built in knowledge, which is why so many people like us can, we just don't fit in.
It just doesn't feel right. And something is pushing us. Right. So how, how are you, how are they going to make, if you don't fit into the system, what are your options? Well, first of all, I take through people, a mindset shift to understand that the deeper part of them are real and they should honor that and they should go even deeper with it.
So they can be an example for others. And it's the truth for them. You can dig that down in the backyard. Like I say, like a hillbilly, because it's just. My fist is going to come up through the ground one day. And then we look at, um, what are their personal qualities and skills and how we can put that into a project or online business.
And that's, that's where the combination come in. I help people set up a website typically, okay. To product. You know, I have a whole bunch of knowledge about integration of, or system. I can integrate into a website on platforms and we let them grow that way. They can really become themselves and they can have their own lawn business so they can have their freedom.
That's how I kind of combine it. Then that's how I focus on things that make sense for people.
Joseph: [00:40:42] One of the things that I read when I was looking at your website too, is that by getting people into web design, it's. Uh, a, if they don't have the technical knowledge, it's, it's fine. Uh, they don't have the, the, the design, uh, knowledge either.
It's also fine. So web design is something that pretty much anybody can, uh, can adopt. And for the most part, I think most people can justify having a website. So what kind of a content, or what kind of websites do you end up? Um, helping people build? So one thing just want to make sure that I'm crystal clear on this, the ratio of like, when's you build for them or the ones that you help them build as a more of the former or more the latter?
John Mac: [00:41:17] Well, yeah, most of the work that I get is, um, you mean for client web design clients?
Yeah. It's either a redesign. Uh, it's been a lot of e-commerce with Shopify. Um, and sometimes it's a completely brand new website from an idea that people have flipped because they want to start something. It's been a mix.
There's been a lot of beginners. Um, yeah. And, um, and how they find me. I don't know. It's just. That has governed me probably to reputation or online search could be.
Joseph: [00:41:50] Yeah, maybe, maybe word of mouth. I mean, do you recall maybe, like, what was some of the first, how some of the first clients found you?
John Mac: [00:41:56] You could say that I had a network, of course, because I had kind of a face in my hometown because of TaeKwonDo, TaeKwonDo and all the shows that we had in town.
I also did film production for a few years and I was hanging out of helicopters and, um, following, um, class one off shore boats. And that gave me some, um, connections. So I started just talking to people and it's basically what I put into my course to now, how do you get your first client? So that's, I think that, that must be it.
I started talking to people and I did it. I did a couple of jobs and people started talking and more came to me. That's how it all began.
Joseph: [00:42:31] Yeah. I mean, it made me with the clients that I, uh, that I had earned over, um, So over the six or seven years that I was doing freelancing, it was like some, some of them were, were word of mouth.
Usually what would happen is I had to get like a Keystone client, um, somebody who had his own or his, or her own set of connections as like one Keystone client ended up leading to like, Three or four other, uh, potential, uh, potential jobs, some of which came through some of which didn't. Um, but I used all, I went, I went all over, um, Upwork, Fiverr, um, local Craigslist too, actually turned out to be one of the best places for me, because I think the important part was making sure that I'm really connecting with the people, uh, that I'm going to work with.
I mean, getting into podcasts editing is like, there are more lucrative and that was my logic at the time. And interestingly podcasting is actually during pretty lucrative. So, uh, some of that give us a quick pat, on the back on that one,
I want to ask about the, the motion effect. Now is, is this something that we've already talked about? We just didn't name it or is the motion effects something in particular that we can, uh, we can address?
John Mac: [00:43:42] We can. I mean, it's basically what we talked about. So johnmac.pro web designer.
Joseph: [00:43:48] Oh, okay.
John Mac: [00:43:49] Yeah. So, because the, the, the challenge for me, like any basically mentioned now is that I had, uh, it was, it was challenging for me to use motioneffect.com to promote web design.
When I talk about mindset shifts. So I wanted to, I basically started playing with stuff in 2019 when we came to Chiang Mai. And that's when I signed up John mike.pro domain. And I basically separated it because I wanted to have focus on the web with me as a web designer. Not that I need to promote anything, but I want to have clear things, you know, organized in a clear way.
So that's, that's the web designer, johnmac.pro, and then motion dash effect of calm is when I have cleaned up the website to talk about mindset.
Joseph: [00:44:37] I, I think, I just want to make sure that I got the name for this. Cause I did write it down. It was. Well, I, because I know that you have like your, your, your connection, right?
I think it's something along the lines of a tribe. And I know that you also offer like a life hacks. And I actually thought when I first started doing this show way back, I thought I was going to ask people all the time about life hacks, and then I'm not doing that. Uh, but, um, maybe are there any particular ones that you'd be willing to share with our audience that are just like really good and actionable life facts?
John Mac: [00:45:06] You mean for improving life in general or to, for freelance work?
Joseph: [00:45:11] If there's an answer to both, I would happy to hear one of each.
John Mac: [00:45:13] I have a few, um, options that I keep returning to, which I think is super important. And I can connect that with the time we are in now. And this is not for everybody, but it's going, it doesn't matter what people believe in.
It's going to affect everybody, whether they want it or not. And this is not something new. I'm not bringing in a new seer. Um, you can connect this to the Mayan calendar and, um, a lot of wanes and old texts, even the Bible for people who know the Bible. But that we are in a time where there will be a great shift.
And, um, this is not something happy news. People are made up. It's coming from angel knowledge. And we are right in that time now, which means that we'll be big shifts on the planet on many levels. And that, and I am pretty sure many of your listeners have had some experiences the last months, unexpected shifts and unexpected separations from the old, which can include places to live the job.
They had someone, they loved family. There are separations going on because the oldest going to be separated from the new, the new earth. And you just have to relax with that and honor that. And one of the life hacks, which can be dramatic for some people that is to make sure that you will make it through this time.
Without creating too much assistance. It should be open for it and understand that we are more than just our bodies. And there's a spiritual shift on the planet, which affects our bodies and mind. And to live through that in a good way, one of the best things would be to start considering your closest friends and family.
There might be some people you may have to, um, gently leave. So start to associate with people that benefits you. Instead, people you want to become like that's one way clean up the type of information and knowledge you stuffing your mind. Stop watching the news. Um, the pandemic we have been through now.
Um, the thing is that when you started to do your own research and I've done it for years, you don't really believe anything you're served anymore. I'm not too much into the pandemic madness. The only thing I know that the pandemic is about fear. So I'm watching the news start filtering information like shitty entertainment and stuff.
Your mind with some good books, that's going to rewrite your mindset. So you can feel better clean up your eating, because if you're going to make it in this shift and have a bright mind to make the new choices you want to make, you should at least make sure that you, um, have a pretty clean body system, because it's going to, I mean, we know now that that the gut is connected to the brain and can create depression, silent depression.
So to try to eat pretty clean, that helps because you can think more clearly and, and make smarter decisions. So that's basically my main life hacks now, and that's going to make some profound changes, filter out people, places, food, and knowledge, super important. And it's going to upgrade your life immensely.
Joseph: [00:48:28] Well, one thing, uh, so just, uh, listener to understand is I'm totally on John's line on this. I finally, for me, my, I had some pretty significant changes in the last year, uh, which I characterized by the work that I get to do here. Um, have I called it at a job? Yes. Numerous times. Do I have any negative or positive associations with it?
Mostly positive, but that aside, yes, this is, I don't fully know what it is that's that's happening. And I definitely don't know when it's going to happen, but there is something going on and I guess like, yeah. Oh, well, yeah, a 100%. And then like me, I've been like, I think it was, for me, it was around like 2016.
Uh, I started, I started to notice that like, if I really wanted to connect with higher dimensions and try to get knowledge from like the upper plains, um, there's a, there was a practical way to do it, which is have dreams. And then I realized, well, how does somebody have good dreams? Well, Exercise diet, um, surround yourself with people that, um, that, that are good for good for you.
Um, I, I will make like a small caveat. Not that I'm disagreeing with you in particular, but I do, like, I try to make sure that I have a few people in my life who like push back against me and just to make sure that I like, you know, I've, I've got like some of that resistance in there. And so all of these things are, uh, have started to culminate and, uh, yeah, there, I would love to see what's going to, uh, uh, uh, you know, where we're going from this.
And it seems like it, the timing of it will probably coincide with like when the pandemic is finding the light in the past. Um, and I do theorize that the only way for us to really get past the pandemic is to actually not wait for the government to tell us and to just like.
John Mac: [00:50:12] Yeah, exactly.
Joseph: [00:50:14] Yeah, this, the, the, the virus me personally, I, I definitely believe that the virus is real, but I believe that in order to deal with it, we have to fight it.
Uh, we can't, you don't win a war by hiding in the basement and letting yourself get bombed constantly. You win a war by, by, by fortifying yourself, you know, get, uh, get sunshine, get zinc.
And, uh, I mean, I haven't even had a cold in two years.
John Mac: [00:50:39] So I haven't been sick in either. So.
Joseph: [00:50:42] Uh, and, and, uh, and all of these things, um, it's, it's important because.
And I've, and I've mentioned this on previous episodes, but let's say that we reach our, our, our goals, our milestones, those more in the future, but let's say we, you know, we, we nail it and we, and we have the freedom that, uh, that John here has, uh, has achieved. Well, if our mind isn't together, then that's going to come crumbling down because the pressure will Mount and there's more responsibility to deal with in its own way, especially because we are now independent.
So you've got to have like your, you got to have the inside ready to go because is not going to be easy. Sorry. I think at this point you might want it to, to, uh, uh, uh, to weigh in on any of that.
John Mac: [00:51:25] Well, I just recognize what you're saying. It's um, the thing is that when you just, suddenly we're not used to this, we're not taught to choose ourselves in life. We're told what to do. It's only when you come to a point where you want to maybe leave your job, create something for yourself, you have to choose yourself and you have to create your own routines and your own success habits too much time left. Um, but I've got a couple more like tidbits and stuff that I want to extract from you because my goodness am I so glad I got to talk to you really?
Joseph: [00:51:52] Um, one of them, this is like a small extraction, but I noticed on your email, it's actually like beep@johnmac. And I've never seen that before. And usually like me, I would be like, I don't know, info or contact, or I don't know. Do you need a email@example.com? So I was just wondering, I was wondering like, why'd you go with the beep I kind of get it like, but like, yeah.
Where'd that come from?
John Mac: [00:52:15] First of all, you remember it obviously, which is good.
Joseph: [00:52:18] I do. Yeah.
John Mac: [00:52:19] So instead of saying, fuck is kind of beeped out.
Joseph: [00:52:23] Uh, okay, well, I'm not keeping track or anything, but I think we've had, uh, six, uh, F bombs over the course of the entire series. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Hopefully it'll get to the point where I lose track or maybe not.
John Mac: [00:52:39] Well now, you know, nobody asked about that before, so, and I can tell you. People have named me, namely beep they call me beeper. The thing of the thing is my first name. Okay.
Joseph: [00:52:48] Because of your, uh, your, your, your pattern of behavior there?
John Mac: [00:52:51] Because it sets a beeping in the email address they think is actually my name.
Joseph: [00:52:56] Okay. Oh, okay. My, my throat went the other way. Okay. Um, so the next one I wanted to ask, and this was one of the ones, like, one of the things I learned about with proper lucid dreaming and heightened connection is like minimize toxin use. And, uh, and caffeine was like right up in there on that list. Um, but I, I know that you, you love your coffee, so, um, I'm just wondering, like, what's your healthy relationship with coffee?
You're like a one a day drinker or do you just use it when you need it? Is it like a luxury for you?
John Mac: [00:53:23] We'll call it a luxury. Um, but I stick with a couple of cups per day. Not too much coffee at all. I can, I don't want to have it and I can't have it, but I like coffee because especially in Chiang Mai, because there's so much, so many local farms here, they coffee's really cultivated in a nice way.
And, um, yeah. It's a great place. And it's in mountains amount, amount of coffee shops here, huge amount of coffee shops, high-level coffee shops, really nice style. And also coffee shops that are really local old good-looking ones with two cups per day.
Joseph: [00:53:58] Yeah. I mean, you know, not to, not that it's a cop fish or anything, but I've got the Nescafe Taster's choice, instant coffee.
I'm just saying it's not, it's actually not bad. Like I would like something that's a coffee I would open up. I was feeling and be like, Oh, this is an emergency. But like this one is actually smells not bad. So, uh, I think I'm down to a, maybe my last or the last couple of ones. Uh, this was more like a, a broad reaching one.
The question itself is really like what it was about web design in particular. And the reason why I ask about web design particular is because there's this, this is a stereotype straight up. Um, but I think you can understand where it comes from. It's the idea that like the more spiritual someone is the more likely they are to reject that only the capitalistic society that we're running, but like.
Any form of commerce whatsoever. I mean, eventually everybody likes got to find some way to pay the bills, but you know, people are like that, but then you go with people who are like completely secular and they also reject society for their own reasons. So you get people of all sorts. So I'd like to know about like the convergence of your spiritual beliefs and your, you know, your own skills as well.
And how did you like end up exactly with the, uh, with web design as your, as your pursuit?
John Mac: [00:55:05] I think it just became like that because when I, I can tell me when I had these two first years of multimedia to sign, I wanted to focus on video for web at that time, for some reason, which was not easy. I started eating, I started with dream Weaver and HTML code.
Joseph: [00:55:20] Oh my god, I haven't heard it in years. All right. RIP macro media. Let's take a moment in silence here.
John Mac: [00:55:28] Um, that was a long time ago.
Joseph: [00:55:30] Don't tell anybody, but I saw a flash on my computer.
John Mac: [00:55:32] Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I remember flash. Yeah. So I think it just became, uh, it came to that ending. Of course it was a time also where more and more people needed, um, websites.
And I think when I sit down and talk to people, I'm pretty good at sharing my energy. So people will, um, get hyped up. I want what I offer them or what we can do with this. That's how I got into it. And I'm really in general, I'm technically capable with when it comes to computers and software. So it was easy to learn.
Um, so I think that must've been a, it must've been a way I'm really good at also selling into people without overselling. I'll try to have them pay huge sums for something they don't need, but be honest and motivate them and see how this can be good for them.
Joseph: [00:56:26] So John we're like, we we're we're at a time.
Um, I, I can't thank you enough for having this opportunity to talk to you. Um, the, the final question is always like. It's one of the two traditions. The other one was the beginning one. This is the end one, but I'm going to modify it a little bit. Cause there's one extra thing I want to, I want to find out from you.
So usually what I ask is if you have any parting words of wisdom, any, but not that you haven't like spent the last hour giving us wisdom, but just in case there's any other things you want to do to summarize, but a bow on any of it, by all means, um, the, the modified version of this question is any book recommendations.
Uh, the one I did write down, um, past life, I think it was, uh, Dolores Cannon. If I got that right?
John Mac: [00:57:06] I think, um, it may not be for beginners, but I mean, it's super interesting books because it's all the books are all recordings written from recordings, live recordings from clients, talking about what's happening in their past lives.
And if people knew all this, they would have a totally different feeling about life and death. And why it's all happening.
Joseph: [00:57:27] I was told, um, briefly, sorry. I know you're about to answer the question, but also briefly that like, depending on where we have like birthmarks, that's actually how we got killed in the last life.
And I've got a big birthmark on my chest. So I think I was impaled. So that's the only cool that I've got so far.
John Mac: [00:57:40] That happens. And there's even, um, Indian children that that's been discovered with physical defects that have been tracked back to previous lives because there's a cell memory, there's an energetic memory there.
Joseph: [00:57:52] So, and then, so yeah, if you've got any other books you want to toss onto the list and then let people know how they can, uh, find your content, I'm going to touch with you.
John Mac: [00:58:01] Yeah. There's one book. I think I would like to recommend one thing I talk a lot about these days is manifesting your life. People have to get their shit together with knowing that they have so much more power than they think.
And I think for people listening to this podcast, um, it's probably people that have one freedom. If they could choose say, we'd like to travel and work wherever they want from the laptop on a coffee shop, if they want. And creating websites is one of the easiest ways without coding or design skills. But to make these choices, you have to understand that you have old power.
And when it comes to understanding how powerful we are, there's a mystical, weird Russian author, modern author, um, that wrote a book on a topic called reality trend surfing. I recommend that if you really want to understand what's actually happening in the moment, you start to think a thought and how that starting to manifest and become a physical reality.
You will understand that whatever you put your mind to now, from today, it's going to create that reality. If you keep focusing on it reality to and surfing, that's the concept. And that's a book. You find it on Amazon. So the Russian author, um, is on, is actually a scientist on a metaphysical level. So, um, that's gonna make a big impact in people's life.
Joseph: [00:59:30] I think that's as a, as much as we can get out of you, I know it's late there, so I assume that you want to start to it's our winding down. Uh, so John, uh, once more for the road, uh, thank you so much for your time and I'm sorry, I, you ended up with saying the book, just let people know how to find you.
John Mac: [00:59:46] Yeah, yeah.
So I got two websites depending on what you want to know. Johnmac.pro is me as a web designer. You can take a look. And for people that want to learn web design and make an income from that, there's a free, free download the blueprint. If you want to fortify yourself and have a more mind expanding experience, motion-effect.com would be the website.
Joseph: [01:00:07] Okay. Terrific. Uh, well, listeners, uh, I'm certain that we've given you plenty to think about and hopefully just as much to act on, so you know what to do. Thanks again. Take care and we'll check in soon.
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