Andy Mai - A Mission For Freedom, Opportunity, Education And Living Optimally

Andy Mai - A Mission For Freedom, Opportunity, Education And Living Optimally
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Andy Mai, CEO & Founder of Studying.com, is an e-com and consulting mastermind. After doing $500K+ in eCommerce sales, he then transitioned into Youtube sharing his story and strategies to help others looking to make their mark in eCommerce. Since then, he has been personally helping students all over the world generate $2.5MIL+ in sales.

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Andy Mai: [00:00:00] The initial answer is like gut feeling and intution. Where the gut feeling and where the  intuition comes from. I think it comes from these three factors. One how unique is how much of a wow factor is there. And three, is this something that you could easily obtain or your nearest supermarket? Those are sort of what happens when I try to break down why I would rate something high.

I think it also comes looking at literally thousands of products. And it also comes from  firstly, testing.

Joseph: [00:00:40] You're listening to Ecomonics, a Debutify podcast. Your resource for  one of a kind insights into the world of e-commerce and business in the modern age. This is Joseph. I'll be presenting a wealth of industry knowledge from interviews, with successful business people and our own state-of-the-art research. Your time is valuable so let's go.

Andy Mai is on a mission to help 1000 dropshippers earn the same freedom he has. The same freedom we're all after, myself included. And while we sink our teeth into some important topics about new ways to learn and sell online, our usual bread and butter. Andy Mai also demonstrates that we can be as efficient and living as well as work. And I didn't think there was room for optimization during lunchtime, but I was wrong. Have a listen. 

Andy Mai, it is good to have you here on Ecomonics. How you doing today, man? How you feeling? How are things going? 

Andy Mai: [00:01:35] Pretty good. You can just be pretty busy, um, coming into the end of the lots of things going on, but yeah, I've been good. Nothing to complain about. 

Joseph: [00:01:44] Is this one of, I know you have like two off days is this one of your workdays or one of your off days? 

Andy Mai: [00:01:48] That's good research. So recently beforehand, I had project days and work days. The project days would be on Tuesday, Thursdays and Fridays and my work days would be Monday and Wednesday.

But recently I've pivoted this link. This was a first week where my two work days on Monday and Tuesday. So I compress my workdays and Wednesday, Thursday, Fridays, these should be open this technically it should have been a work day. Hence, I had this sort of podcast booked in. Um, but with the changes.

Um, my goal with that is that by putting the two work days together, I will keep that same flow going. So if I finished Monday, I would keep that momentum going into Tuesday and then went out three project days in a row. I would keep the momentum of researching planning systems out, um, in three days in a row, because previously with the Monday, Wednesday set up I'll work on monday, and I'll collapsed on Tuesday and I'll work on Wednesday and I'll collapse on Thursday. And now there's two dead days. Whereas in this setup, maybe Wednesday could be like a half day where I'm still recovering from the two days of intense work, but I still have two and a half full days in a row, or just working on bigger picture things.

Joseph: [00:03:01] Okay. Interesting. So one of the things I will say about, you know, the nine to five structure? Although a lot of the people that I talk to they've rejected it, there are a lot of factors about it that made it work. And one of them is that Saturday and Sunday are two days off, days in a row. I've tried that in the past too.

I've tried to have like an off day in the middle of the week and then an off day on the weekend and yeah, the momentum, it doesn't just shift down. There's no good way to kind of just like pause that momentum and then go back up into it. So we'll, we'll delve into the psychology of that because from the content that I looked at, you, don't just talk about how people can get into the industry and how people can clear those first major hurdles.

But we also talk a lot about mindset too, on the show. So I, I definitely want to sink our teeth into that. But we have it a question it's well, it's not contractual and obligation or anything, but I scarce wish to break with tradition. So Andy, my first question, who are you and what do you do? 

Andy Mai: [00:03:54] Awesome. So my name is Andy.

My who I am. I'm a 21 year old Australian kid. Um, my parents have been amazed. I came to shell out on a boat. Um, I grew up in Australia, started learning about entrepreneurship when I was 18. Started getting into drop shipping and e-commerce around 18. Beforehand, I did a bunch of things from like selling lollies, to selling things in game, flipping clothing supreme palace, babe. Um, but since 18 till now, 21, I've been just focused on e-commerce. I've been focusing on consulting. I've been focusing on teaching others how to do the same. 

Joseph: [00:04:31] Fantastic. I know from your backstory that. Your, um, you know, your mother was having a hard go of it.

Uh, she had to take care of you and your sibs. And that was one of the major catalyst to, uh, understanding commerce. Not quite it wasn't e-commerce at first, first, it was just commerce commerce. And I know that it was important to you that she wanted her to be well off. So, one thing I'm wondering is how's your family doing right now?

Andy Mai: [00:04:56] Yeah, so I think previously. My mom was definitely in more of a situation where she really relied on every paycheck and she really relied on having to work seven days a week. Now, I think now she's at a point where she knows all three of the kids, you know, now we'll have other jobs. We all have money. Um, we have sort of money sitting in a mortgage account just to reduce the interest.

And she's sort of in a much saner position where she knows that, you know, worst comes to worst. Things will be okay. She still works two jobs. My goal next year is initially I wanted to just to quit one job, just keep one job. So keep them busy. Um, but since she is pretty fond of both the childcare and the working in the Palmer trust as a sales rep, she enjoys both jobs.

So maybe next year she could reduce what three days or four days or three break down to one day on each. And that's one of goal next year so that she wouldn't have to work seven days a weekend, like all six days a weekend, you know, she catch up on sleep. 

Joseph: [00:05:59] And one thing that I'm sure is true as well is the difference between being able to go into that work more for the joy of it and more for the ability to really make meaningful choices and connect with people. Because I've done a number of sales jobs and I would obviously having good commission was great, but.

Knowing that I had a meaningful impact upon different people throughout the day. That was the thing that I still think about to this day. So it's a difference between having to do that job to survive versus having to do that job because she loves it and she just wants to continue doing it. 

Andy Mai: [00:06:31] Awesome.

I've definitely noticed a shift where she's no longer, you know, boss to sort of do, she doesn't rely on the job bounce to something that she does sort of fun. And this the pressure, I think without that pressure off, it changes everything. 

Joseph: [00:06:47] Um, so one thing I want to talk about with your, your evolution into the position that you are now is that you were able to learn in different environments.

And what I noticed is that with each subsequent can environment, things got less safe. So the first one, as far as I understand the first, really the delving into e-commerce was in video games because. Whether the economy is part of the Canon or the lore, like how in world of Warcraft, there are economies within the factions, or it was a meta economy.

Like how encounter strike people are bartering for skins. And well, I know in Counter-Strike you don't necessarily buy weapons cause it's all skins, but that's outside of the context of the game in either case. You were an understanding how this works to the point where that was more compelling than the gameplay itself.

And then from there you switched over to bottling and selling on Facebook and Gumtree. I just, you know, like, um, case by case, right? It was just a one jacket here. A bicycle there followed by you delving into dropshipping by the time you were in university. So from the beginning of this evolution, Uh, for one, I'd love to hear you expand on it in case there's any part of it that I maybe glossed over or anything that's important about it, uh, that we want to talk about.

But, uh, the core of the question is that what skills did you pick up from the beginning that were consistent through to the position you're in today? 

Andy Mai: [00:08:08] Got it. So when I sort of was selling, so in year two, when I was like roughly, two, three, when I was like eight years old, I would go to the local supermarket and I'll buy these bags.

So Brent skin, I don't know if you have in America, but it's this Australian Wally. It's this red candy. Yeah. Cool. And it stretches that sort of like a candy and you can buy a bag for like $3. You don't have to say 50 pieces. I'll sell each piece for 50 cent, 30 cent to my classmates. And I think what sort of tricking me to do that was I just, you know, I saw that canteen was selling, you know, there's jelly is sort of thinking like these sort of, uh, ice jelly things. They've, um, icicle pops out a mock up where I was like, wow, these are super cheap in the supermarket, but then marking it up in the canteen. Why can't I do the same, but make it cheaper than they can take to the students. And kids can go straight to me.

And I think maybe I saw one or two other students do the same. Um, so I went ahead and did that and also my first experience of, you know, buying something for retail and mark it off and just selling it at an increased price because of convenience. Then I really took that mentality into maple store where I wanted to make the story similar to real life. Um, you can sort of play the game for free and you look like a person that is like a free to play person. And you'd always be surrounded by all these other people with like paved, um, expensive gear. And I'll always be like, that's so cool. Like it was like, it felt like real life where I was just seeing wearing my plain tshirt and plain shorts. And someone next to me is wearing a pair of these is he has a Rolex on like the same feeling was maybe cause I was young at the time, but I had the same sort of like mv within the game. So I was like, damn, I want to make money. So I could have all that gear. So I started learning how to flip and buy and sell.

I think, you know, I was unusual like how to make money and make a story. And then I was able to learn something called merching, uh, where you buy things for low you'll sit in front of the free market. It's like, Hey, I'm looking to buy all these things. Negotiate with people trying to get it at the lowest price possible and then sell it at a mark up.

So that's sort of where I really learned one negotiation to buy low, sell high. Three, that's when I really learned a sense of like, if I'm getting scammed, because within that day I've got to scammed multiple times and like, I learned how to smell like the, if this is too good to be true, true. It's too good to be true.

And I really got that. It was things from maple store. Then I transitioned to sister where I really did the exact same thing, but with unlike a free market sort of system, um, similar sort of strategies, um, buy low, sell high, a lot of negotiating, a lot of predicting. But what I learned new was I was now predicting which items would go up in price.

So the new skill I learned there was prediction or supply demand items go up in price, knowing that, Hey, this case is now limited edition so that the students would end. This cases are going to slowly go up in price as there's less cases. And that's what I took from that. When I got into buying and selling. One of learn as well. I could do this with rural life wanting. I could do this in real life. Um, I learned how to sort of meet people in person. I would take the train to the bus at different locations and meet up with people and buy the items. I learned how to be really wary of not getting scammed in real life.

Not having someone, you know, try to steal my money or send me a fake piece of item. I learn how to sort of recheck your items are authentic. Um, and I really learned how to negotiate with people in real life with through one. Um, so those are sort of old experiences I learned from all the, some small things I would do throughout the way.

Um, one more thing that comes to mind is I used to also buy these, um, buy silence from Ali express or ship them though 37 eight, uh, buy them in bulk, ship them to Australia by saying a hundred at a time. And I'll sell them each for like a dollar or $2 on eBay. So I'd make a, you know, 300 to 600% return package.

Each one in mailers, send them out one by one. Um, what I learned there is like how to ship items. Oh, that was another important thing with the buying of so clothing. I learned how to package items. I learned and ship items. I learned the cheapest way. I learnt them like having to weigh items. I learned how to charge for shipping and really taking that into account when it comes to profit margins. Um, so yeah. 

Joseph: [00:12:38] That's quite a few, quite a few answers there. Um, one thing I think this is just like a, a cultural difference. You said canteen, I think here in North America, that would be the cafeteria where the students go to. Okay. They eat their lunch. Yeah. You know, another thing too, that I just thought was interesting.

This doesn't get this. Despite my, my, my many, many hours logged in video games is I don't, they didn't really think about this before, but when you're, when you're on maple story, And you have your own, uh, free to play gear. It pales in comparison to the, um, to the pay to play gear. And one thing for non-gamers is that some games will allow you to buy things that make you more powerful, uh, which is referred to as pay to win.

And it's usually looked down on, but other times you could buy stuff. And this is the more ethical, this is the more accepted version of it, which is just selling aesthetics. So if a character wanted a cool armor, plate or wings or a helmet or something and no effect on the gameplay. It would just be an aesthetic thing.

But here's the catch though, is that aesthetics actually do have an impact on gameplay because what they do is they convey a level of experience or commitment or possibly even skill on behalf of the player. So if somebody has all that set gear, even if it doesn't give them any bonuses, it still messes with somebody's head.

Conversely, if somebody has the. Uh, free to play gear or they don't look aesthetically pleasing. The other players will treat them differently. So even aesthetics actually do have a psychological effect on the player. And the main observation that I think is really fascinating is how that peer pressure is parallel to the peer pressure that people face in school in real life.

When some people have the money for these things and other people don't, and the people who don't have to be craftier, you know, they don't get to go first and the game of chess and stuff like that.

Andy Mai: [00:14:27] Most definitely most definitely. I think that really bred and sort of lit a fire and was one of the catalysts.

Joseph: [00:14:33] Yeah. And one of the observations that I put it up from that is you had learned about the markup at a really early age. I'm 31. Now I didn't really understand what markup was until 23 when, uh, my more. It wasn't even my first sales job too, by the way, my, my, my second or third sales job when the store owner says, yeah, I buy it at cost and then I doubled the price.

Yeah. That makes sense. That's how they, I had no idea what I w what I'm wondering about is, and you've, you've touched on it briefly is justifying the markup in your own mind, because you'll, you'll see that the, the canteen is selling them a lot for a lot more than the supermarket. And it's, it's out of the convenience of it.

So in your mind, did you have to consider exactly what the market actually represents? Do you have any reservations about the economic system unfolding before you? 

Andy Mai: [00:15:31] Yeah. When I was young, I didn't understand, like, why would a student go in and buy this sort of Popsicle for a dollar when you could literally buy it?

Bag filled with them for $2. So there'll be a cheap as cheap as like 20, 10 to 20 cents each, but here kids are going into the canteen cafeteria, buying them for a dollar. So it didn't make sense, smells like, like I just saw it as a gap in the market. It's like, wow, if they can make that much money so can I. I think that sort of was thinking at the time.

Joseph: [00:16:02] And it reflects it, reflects effort, reflects, uh, intuition.

It reflects all of these things. So next thing I want to do is I want to talk about some of the things I've observed from your YouTube channel. I say it every time to our listeners is, you know, we only get so much done in an hour, so it is worth going to Andy's YouTube channel to check it out. And now I say that every time, but I meet it every time because frankly, everybody that I've talked to has been fascinating.

And so what's important to me is to look for. What's unique about this YouTube channel. So then that way people have a clear picture of why they should go visit Andy's content versus a lot of the other content, spoiler alert, check them all out. But for your sake, let's get into some of this.

So you have a really great series called getting your first sale. I didn't watch all of them, but I did watch the first one and what you do. Is you are recording the dialogue that you're having with your students. So in a way, the audience or the viewer are projecting themselves onto the student. So the student is asking the questions that the audience are very likely to ask because they're in the same place.

And what I observed was you were rating the product that the student was showing you, and you would give it a six out of 10. One of them was a seven out of 10. Um, and I want to know more about the criteria for that rating. So when you're, when you're observing these products, you're, you're seeing them for like, you know, like a second, two seconds, and you're already figuring out what's its overall value.

So how do you do that? 

Andy Mai: [00:17:37] So the initial answer is like gut feeling and intuition. Now, when I really dig into where the gut feeling and where the intuition comes from, I think it comes from these three sort of factors. One, how unique is it to how much or wow factor is there? And three, is this something that you could easily obtain at your nearest sort of supermarket?

Those are sort of what happens when I try to break it down. Why would write something high? I think it also comes from looking at tliterally thousands of products. And it also comes from firstly, testing, hundreds of products. Like I'm pretty sure I've tested like nearly 500 products. And when you test like, you know, literally 205 out of 10 products or you see them flop.

Now you sort of feel it in your mind that, okay, this product is an under five out of 10 because it flops. And when you have like 10 to 20 winners that are like seven plus out of 10, and you've had 10 on them. Now sort of do it in your mind and bring your mind, okay. This is what a seven plus out of 10 books.

So it comes from experience intuition and as well as those criteria, as I mentioned.

Joseph: [00:18:54] Would you, would you mind, um, giving us a couple of examples of some recent stuff that you looked at that scored high or scored low? 

Andy Mai: [00:19:01] Yeah, 100%. So let me think. Trying to think. So for example, like the winners that I can remember clearly was bookstand with this led facemasks this led face mask.

I sold it during Halloween. And the reason why it popped up was because it was completely new. No one saw it before it was completely unique. It had this cool sort of joker sort of mask looking. And this was before the joker movie came out. This was like a year ago. Um, and the reason why it popped up was it just was so cool.

It was interesting. And that was sort of one of the hot products. Another one of the hot bar mix was one of this hair calling wax, where it's literally, I call them a hair wax, but you're putting your hand, you do your hair and your hair would turn into a color that you chose. So that was pretty cool. Um, so those would be different examples, some more recent examples.

I can't really think on the top of my mind, like every sort of week I try and do this and I'm rating products. I've seen so many products at a time, um, I'm going to blank right now. 

Joseph: [00:20:04] Yeah. The it's it's like they, they, they come in and then they go, right, 

Andy Mai: [00:20:07] Exactly.

That's how I rate it fast as well, because I literally just rank them. It goes in and it comes out that way. 

Joseph: [00:20:13] Yeah. So another one of your, uh, YouTube projects is, um, helping a thousand dropshippers and, and I've heard other people they've, they've had these, these goals where they want to like achieve like 10,000 or something.

Um, and what I liked about the idea of the thousand job sugars is that actually sounds quite tangible. There's a lot of people in the world and there's a lot of people want to make money. What's, what's the status of this project. How far along are you? And what's, uh, I also want to know what was the idea behind it too.

Andy Mai: [00:20:41] Got it. So with the first question, how long, how far am I into right now? You can go to my website, I have 34 video testimonials. So these are 34 students that went out of their way. And a few of them testimonials talking about how I've been able to help them. I've been able to help them quit their jobs. I helped them get into e-commerce and they basically help them make money online. And these are 30 full sort of via testimonials, unlike sort of most of the curators, they just send you like this, a bunch of screenshots. But as you know, screenshots are basically worthless now because there's just so much of them.

The video testimonials are sort of what I'm looking for. So my goal is to have a thousand video testimonials from people all over the world. Now what made me sort of create the series is I want it to really talk about the journey. Um, what really inspired me was Kylie Jenner. So Kylier Jenner, the reason why she was able to crash off the vine and the reason why she became one, she became a billionaire and her age was she created a, a story. Like she was documenting the process of creating her makeup brand. What she did was when making her product, she would create Instagram stories, bring people on a journey. She would show them inside the factory. She show them the how it's made. She was sort of asked them to pick what color they wanted, what packaging they want it.

And no, really. She brought everyone on her journey. So that's sort of why I wanted to do with that is to bring people on my journey. I've tried to help a thousand junk shipments.

Joseph: [00:22:12] If you don't know this, that's cool, but I've never really, I mean, I don't give Kylie Jenner that much, uh, time of day on my own mind.

But was that how she started all of this? Or like, was, was she already, does she already have a reputation or personality before she got into that. If you don't know it's cool, but I don't know. I don't, I don't, I'm not normally curious about that.

Andy Mai: [00:22:32] I think she had the keeping on with the kardashians where she was sort of, one of, 

Joseph: [00:22:37] Yeah, she was part of that. Yeah. 

Andy Mai: [00:22:38] So she had sort of a following. She had an audience she's been able to take it to the next level. Cause like, keeping up with the kardashians is nowhere as big as say for example, friends. Or how I met your mother, but none of those tactics are none of those TV guests have been able to build a billion dollar brand.

Joseph: [00:23:00] That's an important thing too. I mean, cause I know stuff like friends and how I met your mother and the office. A lot of these shows have tremendous staying power. So the brand has a lot of effect even to this day. I I'm guilty of it. I still check out clips of the office on my algorithm. It comes up. I can't, I can't fight it.

A couple of other, um, questions for you more on the, uh, on the job, check on the e-commerce side. And then I want to also talk about some of your other, some of the other YouTube videos, some stuff about how you optimize your mindset and stuff like that. And I know you get this question a lot about shipping times.

In, in the realm of dropshipping on ali express, people will ask you about the ideal shipping times. Um, and we all know the ideal shipping time is as well.

So for the drop shippers that haven't been able to reduce the wait times, uh, what are stores doing to make up for this.

Andy Mai: [00:23:56] So I think the myth is slowly starting to die out. So one, ali express has been really good with the shipping times. Two, people forget that we're selling products that people cannot get anywhere else.

So the fact that getting this brand new unique product from China is a strong enough reason for them to wait because they can't get this anywhere else. Three, we try to have a really strong customer service. Well, we really reassure all our customers that, Hey, here's the tracking number? The product is on its way.

It's been dispatched the patient cause it's gonna arrive. Um, and four, we sort of like to have a track my own package section on our website, so customers can track the status of where their product is. 

So those are the four ounces I usually have for that question. 

Joseph: [00:24:47] You've definitely had a chances to practice that one.

Andy Mai: [00:24:50] 100%. And it keeps building up.

Joseph: [00:24:52] Yeah. So this one, uh, this was a video of yours, but it's, um, it's about eight months ago. In e-commerce base even a month, uh, is quite a significant amount of time. Um, but you were talking about how brands aren't taking advantage of YouTube. I, and again, I do need you to expand on that, just so that our listeners understand exactly what they're not doing on YouTube or what sellers aren't doing.

Um, but it's been eight months. The second part of it is also if you've seen any major changes yet, or if the overall premise is still holding true to this day. 

Andy Mai: [00:25:21] Got it. So the biggest thing that is sort of underestimated and undervalued on YouTube is a power of retargeting on an audience. So one of the folks, example,Logan Paul, re-targeted his 20 million subscribers re target his 10 million views per month with ads about his clothing. He'll be game over. He'll be killing it, but they still just don't know about the YouTube advertising space in game. 

Joseph: [00:25:49] Right. And me, I I'll admit, I don't really know what myself either. Um, the, the YouTube ads that I've been seeing lately. I mean, I've got my, um, I I've got my, my, my personal account.

And for the most part, the ads that are popping up are just diner dash. I don't know, they, they really want me to order a poker table, you know, more power to them. But, um, I, it was a more, what's more interesting is I have, uh, my, my, my day Debutify YouTube account, which is basically every time I have a guest to prepare for, I subscribe to their channel.

So the algorithm sees me as like this person who's exceedingly eager to consume as much content as I possibly can. And so every time I check out a video, the algorithm is sending me another e-commerce expert who wants to talk to me about their funnel system or something along those lines. And also I grabbed the URLs and I put them on a list and I'm going to contact them to be on a.

Be a guest on our show later down the line, but where exactly are these ads fitting in into the YouTube space? 

Andy Mai: [00:26:50] Got it. So when you see these ads would be the pre-roll ads, so on the Debutify account, what are the type of pre-roll ads or the skip now ads you'd see? 

Joseph: [00:27:00] Lately? Um, it has exclusively been other e-commerce, uh, and entrepreneurs in the space.

I, I can't think of anything else. And I mean, what I can actually do, uh, just as a fun little test to see what happens if I were to pull up a video right now. Yeah. So it was, but, uh, you were saying, so it's during the pre-roll so, before a video is activated. 

Andy Mai: [00:27:22] Exactly. So that's why I've run all my ads in the pre-roll as well as sometimes when you see suggested bills, they'll be like an ad video that suggested, uh, and my ad would definitely be there as well.

And retargeting is so undervalued by, I don't know why people are trying to reach people cold when they should just retarget all that traffic. So what I recently learned is I'll say like Tony Robbins, Russell Brunson, and Dave, these guys, they don't do any cold traffic ads.

Well, what they do is they focus on organic traffic, social media, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, maybe Tiktok and they will re target that audience with paid traffic. Then never go ahead and send the ads to cold audience. And that's what I've been doubling down on recently. 

Joseph: [00:28:10] Um, but then, um, on the other side of that too, is then what's been the main route to acquire that traffic in the first place.

Is it primarily on Facebook or are you trying to acquire people on YouTube? 

Andy Mai: [00:28:20] Exactly. So I try to acquire people everywhere. So I'm on like YouTube, LinkedIn, TikToK, Instagram, um, Facebook. And I post it multiple times on each platform because I really want to squeeze the lemon and it comes to that organic traffic. 

Joseph: [00:28:35] Okay. So, um, before I get my next question chamber, uh, LinkedIn, I don't actually get that one brought up too much. So can you specify more what you're up to on LinkedIn?

Andy Mai: [00:28:43] Yeah. So on LinkedIn, me and my team is every day we're posting three posts. There'll be valid posts about drop shipping e-commerce mindset.

And our goal is just to give people valid every single day. And it's crazy. Like we get a lot of organic reach that isn't seen anywhere else. Like every posts posting gets like 50 to 70 of yours, 120 views. This is all organic. And usually when you start with no sort of connections or no followers, it shouldn't be that easy to get that many views.

But LinkedIn is sort of like Facebook. 10 years ago. And I got that sort of heads-up from Gary V.

Joseph: [00:29:19] Fair enough. Well, one thing I want to say about LinkedIn too, is that. So here's what happened. So somebody messages me about my, uh, my podcast, my podcast, and I said, dude, check it out. And you know, if you want to be a guest on their show, feel free to reach out.

But at that time I didn't put ecomonics on LinkedIn. My LinkedIn was out of date. So then I wrote down, okay, well, one of the things I got to do this week is I got to update my LinkedIn page. And so I updated it. And now I say that I'm the host on Ecomonics. There were some similarities to Facebook because it would show up on the feed and other people that I knew in my network, um, would message me and say, Hey, congratulations.

And there is an organic social aspects to LinkedIn that I don't think people will really recognize in it, it's taken them a while. But I think for me that the thing that I actually like about LinkedIn now is there's a barrier for entry where if people, me it's free to sign up, but if people are on LinkedIn, it means they're up to something it's people who recognize that they're not trying to present their value.

They know that they have value and they're looking to contribute that. And also to find ways to, you know, be a part of somebody else's network, too. So, yeah, LinkedIn is underrated. I gotta, I gotta give a shout out to him.

Andy Mai: [00:30:33] Yeah, I think you're totally right, because if you were to do the same thing on Facebook, You would not get the same response.

Like not many people would say it, you wouldn't get that engagement. You wouldn't get people congratulating you, it wouldn't be like something that would pop up on top of that thing. And LinkedIn has done an amazing job doing that. And so I think all supply demand like on Facebook is that the supply, the demand has been the same, but the supply has been enormous. Same with Instagram, LinkedIn, the demand has slowly been increasing, but this time not supply. So whatever you put out, everyone's going to see it. Not only all your connections are going to see it, but all the people that you don't even know about will see it as well. That's why, yeah.

Joseph: [00:31:20] You know, one test that I should probably deploy is to see what happens if I update, um, Ecomonics on my Facebook page, just to see what response I get there.

I, I do think that I would get people, um, messages, even if it's just a like, or it's a congratulations. I think the difference is the inherent and going to sound almost like I'm denigrating people. I'm not, but there is more inherent value to the people who are engaged on LinkedIn because they're on LinkedIn.

For whatever reasons they want to establish themselves for where I was at Facebook, I can get a light from somebody that I never even met. Well, I have no idea what this person is for this person is like one of the 20 people that wishes me happy birthday every year, even though we've never met. And I just don't, I don't know anything about them.

So there's less inherent value from that engagement.

Andy Mai: [00:32:11] Exactly, exactly. And a like on LinkedIn is worth 10 times more than a like on Facebook, because I'm thinking people are just like mindlessly scrolling down. They're just mindlessly liking, same as Instagram. On LinkedIn, each person is reading every single post and then a liking like they're putting in time.

So when they see an impression and like, it's just worth so much more than LinkedIn because people are actually reading and they're not mindlessly scrolling. 

Joseph: [00:32:37] Right. And, and, and they, and they consider the, the, that is worth investing their time into it because anything that is connected to me on LinkedIn could have value. Could be someone that's going to be hired. It could be someone that, well, not that I need a job right now, but it could be someone that hires me down the line. It could be any number of these things. So, yeah. Well, we can, uh, we can, we can just go on and on about LinkedIn, but I'm going to move us along. Cause there's other stuff from your YouTube that I, I want to get into as well.

Uh, major takeaway people, LinkedIn. It's, you know,  don't sleep on it.

One of the things I also like about your youtube channel too is that you have some cool, um, lifestyle. I was about to say hacks just cause that's a common parlance in the e-commerce space. So I'm just going to run with it. Some cool lifestyle hacks. Like one of them is trying to get an optimal lunch where you're trying to figure out, like, what is the best lunch to have that keeps you energized?

Um, It doesn't tire you out. I realize both of those things are just opposites of one another, but the video came out in August. So what I'm wondering is that you've settled on an optimal lunch. Have you figured out how to like really energize yourself around, uh, around noon or one o'clock whenever you have it.

Andy Mai: [00:33:49] Yeah. So as of right now, I was talking to a lot of family and friends and Asibel seems like the way it's a job. Now, I've been pretty lazy. I didn't search up the best recipe up on board or the ingredients to create every lunch. The things I've sort of taken away is, one don't have something heavy. Try not to watch YouTube or watch something while eating lunch, because you will end up watching three episodes and you'll end up munching and eating snacks for the next hour. And that's going to turn you into slob. Trying to keep the lunches will be short and don't watch anything. And three, try not to have too much carbs and trying to not make it too heavy and before you sleep, don't eat until you still fall, just eat. And if you feel hungry, I don't know, drink a lot of water and you would eventually, the hunger will go away. Um, but those are the problems perhaps that I still fall into right now. And I'm trying to work myself out.

Joseph: [00:34:46] I'll admit to that. On lunchtime. I usually pull up a YouTube video to watch something.

The algorithm know the algorithm is so good. I'm like, man, it knows. It knows that I, I watch one person for breakfast. It knows that I'm expecting somebody else during the lunch time. Yeah, it does. It's always got this one guy ready for me for breakfast. It's becoming part of my ritual. 

Andy Mai: [00:35:09] That's I did not know youtube do that. I haven't noticed that that's insane. And that's my bulk of like YouTube is like powerful.

Joseph: [00:35:16] It is. And, um, I, I, one thing too is, uh, one of the things that I'm trying to work on too is also if, to, if I'm going to consume any content is to get away from video content and to just focus on audio content for one, because audio is my lifeblood, but also because when my, when our eyes are focused on something, I find that does take away from eating people, don't focus on their, on their food as much. So weeding off for video to audio is better, but I, but I, but I see where you're going with this too, is weighting off of any content during a lunch and just to focus on eating, uh, cause it tends to be overlooked and it tends to be rushed. And then that's bad for the digestive system too thoroughly than the food will end up costing more energy to digest anyways. 

Andy Mai: [00:36:04] And like when you watch content is just so huge. Like when you visually watch content, it's a huge, it's a huge sort of stimulator.

Whereas if you just listen to an audio it's less stimulating, more easy for you to go ahead and go back to getting to work done. Um, it keeps the mind busy, so you're not too bored. It's sort of a best of both worlds. So I definitely have went through a phase where all I did was listen to a lawyer and I was really productive.

Um, I tried to go ahead and just cut out content completely, but that has faced so difficult, but when I have been able to do so I've been super productive. So I think I might have to sort of get in the middle and just cut out all the visual content and go back to just audio and take on what you're doing.

Joseph: [00:36:52] Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this much, I gave you my word that starting tomorrow, I will try for a week to see if I can eat lunch without, uh, uh, any content whatsoever. Just, just to see what happens. It's gonna be, Oh man, I, there, there are habits that I've thought I could like, you know, I cancel out, but, uh, th those habits they set in day after day, year after year, they are hard.

Before we move on from the, uh, from the life section of this episode. Um, one other food related question for you. This is no order. Like this might be one of the most eye-opening things that not just I've seen from your video, but overall. It's how cooking can end up being an inefficient use of time. Uh, where if a person makes a certain amount of money, it's more worthwhile to just, uh, I don't know, get, I guess, to get takeout.

I was actually going to ask you that, like, what's the alternative. So can you tell us our audience about this? Cause this is fascinating. 

Andy Mai: [00:37:46] Yeah. So this is something I learned from someone named Sam Ovens and he was like, Oh, cooking is like one of the most unefficient things. And he talked about it. I was like, whoa, I've never seen it in that light. This is very, very interesting. So I started digging into it, some crunching the numbers. Like I did that in video and it came out to me like even if I was being really conservative, if you can make an extra $7 with an extra hour, then it's not worth it to cook. Like you literally could. If like you went home, you spent a whole day of work rather than cooking from six to 7:00 PM.

You go out on like Hollywood Boulevard have like a cup and like ask for money on the side of the road. And you could probably rack up probably $10 spend in a, um, $7 on a meal. Come home, eat the meal. And by 7:00 PM you would now be three. You would have an extra $3 versus. Going home cooking for an hour, spending $7, all like cooking for an hour to save like $7.

Um, I think I screwed up the maths there, but basically what I'm trying to say is if you're able to make an extra $7, which is how much you will save by cooking, then it's not worth it to cook. 

Joseph: [00:39:04] So, so what do you do instead? Do, are you on a meal plan? Do you, do you get, take out, is somebody cooking for you?

Andy Mai: [00:39:10] There's this things called meal preps. Um, I use this company called the mind muscle chef, but they basically send you a box full of weeks, full of food, where it's just like microwave food where it's like pretty fresh. It's not like the microwave to, um, in like the supermarkets where it's like has a bunch of personal videos you can get can last for like the next 12 months is like fresh food that is just frozen. Microwave it, and it's like healthy, not many preservatives. And don't go from anywhere from eight to 10 Australian dollars, which is around six to seven USC.

Joseph: [00:39:45] Is that as a per meal or per day.

Andy Mai: [00:39:48] The meals. So that means for a day you'll probably be buying. Breakfast, I just do cereal, lunch and dinner. I'll go ahead and get those meal preps.

So you'll probably be spending $14 on two meal preps. And if you want to cook yourself, each one probably cost around $2, so it costs $4 to cook on your own. So you'll be able to say maybe $10. So then as you spent. I did the calculations. Um, like you would probably spend one and a half hours at least to save $10.

So that means every hour you spend cooking, you're only saving $7. So if you could put that hour into making more than $7 should do so. Well, if you value having an extra hour with your family and  friends versus $7, you should not be cooking. And then obviously there's argument of like, maybe you enjoy cooking.

Um, but then I counter that argument. Would you prefer to spend an hour cooking to say save seven dollars or would you prefer to spend an hour with the family and friends and maybe not say it that $7, but that $7 is a cost to have an extra hour with a family and friends. Which one would you prefer? 

Joseph: [00:41:03] Well, you know, from, from my perspectives, my, my, uh, my girlfriend, she does the cooking it to me, I guess for me personally, it's. It would be something that I would pose her, uh, in what she could be doing with that hour instead. Uh, and yeah, I mean, there is the element of, you know, people do enjoy it as a hobby or as a passion. But I think if people are going to take that argument, then they need to understand that they have to do something with this passion, whether they want to maybe do their own cooking YouTube channel or are they wants to do a blog about it.

In the same way that I think a lot of people who are very smart when they're playing games now is that they're always trying to ways to enhance their, their investment. They start their blog, they do streaming, they join a community, they get into the competitive scenes, they can try to earn money off of it.

So that's the position that I would take. If I were to say, if I'm going to cook, I'm I'm doing this too. Um, Uh, invest in myself down the line or build a brand or something along those lines. And man, I, this is, I really glad I asked you this question because I wanted people to get a sense of like your ability to calculate these things is it's not something that they would think about maybe making their meals.

So if that's what you come up with for food, no, wait, do people find out what you've come up with for, uh, running a store? 

Andy Mai: [00:42:14] Yeah, 100% like even things that are like, the next thing I want to figure out is like, Sam's mama talked about how having a maid is also something that's efficient. Um, like you might pay the maid, say $15 an hour, but they keep your whole house clean and just having a cleaner house.

You'll feel more productive when you see something lying on the floor. You have a messy table. Yes. It doesn't really affect your work, but psychologically it sort of does a bit. So the psychological sort of improvements from just having a clean office far outweighs the cost of having a maid. And there's sort of like, that's like another example.

Joseph: [00:42:48] Yeah. Yeah. And correct me if I'm wrong. But I think you also said that by getting a fish tank and then improve your productivity too. Is that right? 

Andy Mai: [00:42:56] Yeah. So the fish tank that you see behind me, if you're listening to this episode.

Joseph: [00:43:04] It's on Instagram, for our listeners. They can check it on Instagram. 

Andy Mai: [00:43:06] Yes. Uh, I bought the wholesale out of insanely cheap price.

So 450$, 425$. And it's an insane steal it's worth like $2,000. Even if I bought the whole stuff at $2,000 every single day, just being able to have this as a background. I feel happy and that like, even if that increased my productivity by 1%, a day, that's 365% increase of productivity in a year that 365% is far outweighs to $2,000.

I probably wouldn't spend all that. 

Joseph: [00:43:49] And, uh, I mean, I, I, I, don't looking at you right now. I'm not sure if I've seen you get any happier from turning around looking at the fish tank, but, uh, it's uh, uh, maybe, maybe a little, maybe, maybe a slight. Yeah, I can see it. I, there. This is like, we're getting way off topic now.

But, uh, my girlfriend and I, we went to a Chinatown and there was this fish that actually like, it's a, it's a big puffer fish and it's smiles. And I kept thinking about that fish. How, if I just looked at that fish every day and it's smiles and I smile back at it, I'm like, ah, I missed that fish. I got to go.

Yeah, man. I, I mean it's because it left an impression. So I'll say that. 

Andy Mai: [00:44:30] People undervalued the cost of a smile. I pay a dollar to get a free smile. Every if someone would give me a smile. 

That's a dollar.

Joseph: [00:44:39] All these little things, all these little things they add up and they, and they give you the power to be more effective.

And to, and to do your work better, as opposed to constantly like pulling your own emotional and psychological weight while also trying to get these things done. It's. Yeah, we talk about it a lot on the show and I'm glad we do, because I think if people aren't getting their, their own psychology in order, then business is going to crush them into a cube and toss them away.

Andy Mai: [00:45:07] Exactly. Like one goal is just to do 1% improvements on every aspect of my life. Like get 1% that I tried to get 1% of that. I find the pocket getting 1% better at using my phone. If you do this every single day, by the age of 60. Are you going to be doing really well? 

Joseph: [00:45:24] So we're, um, we're, we're, we're getting into our final act here.

Um, we, well, uh, not counting the, uh, bits and pieces. We might have to edit out even. We've been about like 47, 48 minutes so far. So I'm going to switch over to the, um, the educational side. I want to make sure that we, I asked you about this too, cause I know, um, the teaching and the education is really important to you.

So this one is coming fresh off of your Instagram. I don't remember exactly when, but I. I don't think it was on your Instagram for very long. I've been to this recording. Yeah. Yesterday. Okay. So yeah, that's even a fresher than I thought. Uh, so you got your hands on studying.com. Now the significance of getting a word like that is like, If I, if I managed to land office supplies.com or something fundamental to the subject that is based off.

So for you, what's the significance of getting studying.com and what do you, uh, what do you want to do about it?

Andy Mai: [00:46:20] Yeah, so it was insanely significant because all the other education domains like education.com, teaching.com, learning.com, learn.gov, study.com their all, not only being taken. But they've been taken by that actively in use.

So for example, if you go to say, um, strategy.com, it goes to like a landing page where they're like, this is what sells, so that's not an actively used domain. So all the education works have been taken in studying.com was the last one. And I was so lucky and so happy to be able to secure it. So that sort of, um, Pretty significant because it's a simple word it's easy to understand.

And what people don't realize is that having a simple domain is so powerful, especially if we're going into bots. Eventually people are going to be talking, Hey, Google, go to this. Hey, Alexa, search this. And if you have something like say Lyft, they might not be able to catch it because lift is still in a weird way.

Um, when a starting.com or go to study.com. It's super easy if they could instantly recognize it. And the one studying has been embedded and taught to people over the last thousands of years, the one studying everyone knows it. And that's a thousand years worth of free marketing. Whereas food buy Lyft have to pay literally eight figures like 10 million, $20 million just in marketing to now teach people what you buy links, what lift means.

And I get to skip that whole curve. So that's sort of why it was so significant. 

Joseph: [00:47:55] Yeah. About a brand like a Uber, or I would say this is going to hit Uber harder than it's going to hit Lyft. Um, because, and this is my personal perspective, but when people think of Lyft, I think we think of the fact that it's a Uber alternative, whereas Uber is more ubiquitous with the ride sharing services.

And the issue with these brands is that they can genericize to the point where the act is. More relevant in people's minds than the brand that the act represents. So when somebody says Google it, they just think search. Um, now Google is a little bit of a more recent example, but, um, did you know taser was a brand name?

Yep. Uh, taser. Uh, let's do a fact check me on that. Yeah. So when people think here taser, they don't think of the, the taser brand. They just think of this device that people use to defend themselves. 

Andy Mai: [00:48:50] Wow. So initially the brand taser. Created tasers and they like the tape, the definition of what a taser is.

That's insane. That's super cool. 

Joseph: [00:49:00] Yeah. And so that's something that brands have to watch out for, because it gets to a point where things went too well. And while it's a ubiquitous with tasing, um, it, it doesn't do the brand any favors, but what you've done is you, sir, like you said, you circumvented that you just went with the word that has already.

I'm well established in, in culture and society. And so when people go to studying.com, they, they, they know what they're looking for. Um, but it's also, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's a significant burden and two right here. Cause your shoulder and the responsibility of taking the word that has been around culturally for a thousand years, at least.

So, uh, what do you intend to do with it to, um, rise to the occasion? 

Andy Mai: [00:49:44] Right now I teach people all over the world, how to do drop shipping and e-commerce and marketing online. But eventually I want to be able to teach people, things like sales, how to start like a clothing brand and how to start a YouTube brand, how to start a podcast.

How does sort of took account. And obviously I cannot sort of offer all these services. Initially. I will teach a lot of these things, but then show them, bring people on to sort of tissue surface, you know, to bring on someone like you and be like, yo joseph so it's like, how do you grow? How do you attract people?

How do you get guests? Now we teach a lesson that, and have you basically tell, Hey. Talk to you at once. Be like, Hey guys, if you guys want to go ahead and learn how to start a podcast, go to studying.com or dash Joseph for my podcast course. I want to basically become the high-end version of you to me and not focus on the content, but focus on the membership portal.

So right now with my portal, like, ah, this is taking things full circle. So. In the portal, there's like a leveling system. So when people watch videos, they gain steam. So they incentivize to watch many, many videos on top of that. There's a level board right now. The max level is like a hundred. The next person's like, you know, the top person is like 50, 48, uh, 47%.

Everyone's trying to watch more videos. And what I want to do is I always have this amazing group chat. I want to build a rhino sort of in the workspace, people. Get these paid every time they pull from the group chat. So incentivize people to create a sort of, um, active community. Now, if people answer someone else's questions and they get like a thumbs up, or someone writes the reply to their question, a thumbs up could be worth, say 50, say so now people are incentivize to give good answers to other people.

Um, so I really gamified the experience and I think that's sort of what will attract teachers to studying.com. 

Joseph: [00:51:42] And, you know, one thing I'm, I have a vision for, uh, with the, the, the, um, I was about to say evolution and a guest that works. I hate when I don't quite get the right word, but, you know, you're, you're starting with your area of expertise and through, you know, I guess, uh, connections on LinkedIn or whomever, however, you're connected to people.

You'll reach out to people like myself who are experts in our field. And then from there, it continues to grow and expand where more people are reaching out to other people. Um, so one thing I do wonder is if there are any limitations to what can be studied, because I think if people are going to study in.com, really the sky should be the limit.

Somebody wants to learn how to weave a basket. I would expect they should be able to go there and get what they want to know.

Andy Mai: [00:52:28] Exactly. I think that 100%, and I think what could really incentivize people to. By all of these courses is maybe cap the amount of experience you could learn through one course.

So now how the leveling system. They worldwide. So initially I was thinking, okay, if they joined my dropshipping course, they start at zero and then level two level 100. And then when they go through say your podcasts calls, they start at level zero again at that level up. But I think that would have been too fun.

Like what if they had this stunning.com account where it's sort of universal where every single course they consume, that's more they're getting so now, like everyone will be just trying to learn. Everyone's like, Doing whatever they can to learn. Um, I'm honestly going to have to figure out how the group chats would work.

Should there be individual group chats or individual courses, um, how, like, how to do all that things? Um, I think the gamification is what's going to be the unique, like that's going to be the new way to learn, and I've also want to be like, I'm going to be focusing a lot, AI, like I want to be able to create like YouTube algorithm where I can recommend people the next sort of most similar course on be able to have students go through a course and have them sort of show pain points at certain areas, or watch focus videos on certain areas or my sort of AI to know, Hey, let's throw in these guys more meters about that topic. And the unique thing about my course it's multifaceted. So whereas most people might show one video of them doing product research and then writing like 10 posts in a row.

I literally have 46 recordings of me, really? Thousands of products from 46 differences from all over the world. So that now, you know, the consumer might be like, how the hell do I know how to rate a product after watching all once in this 10 minute window. Well, I have 46 videos so that if you struggle go through all 46 and it mentioned that AI can sort of feed you more videos on different topics, again and again, with different variations.

So that's sort of the end goal.

Joseph: [00:54:32] Um, I think the, the gamification is how getting my, my creative juices flowing to, um, this is pitched right here right now. Is have you considered a quest based system? Where have you assigned people? 

Andy Mai: [00:54:43] Yeah. Yeah. I definitely want to do like print action items where like, That will complete these action lines of quests and don't get like a bulky state.

I'll give you another pitch. 

Joseph: [00:54:54] And then I want to move on to another question, but also education related. I think Skyrim is popular enough that if I bring it up, I a good chunk of our listeners will know what I'm talking about because chances are everybody has at least one device I play Skyrim.

And when people level up their characters, there's all these different trees that they can specialize in. And. Well, I don't think this is specific to sky room, but I think the more people, um, will level up in a certain trees, they do experience diminishing returns. So the more expertise they've re they've reached the, they won't get the same value out of if they were to invest that point into a brand new skill tree.

So what I'm just thinking about here is the idea of people having their avatars and you're seeing their skill trees. And you're saying, wow, this guy is really proficient in. Um, in, in sabbatical, I was about to say subterfuge because I just love that word, but also has, um, elements or proficiencies in these other traits as well.

So, um, and then what you do is, you know, these are. People that you can reach out to. And then those people are incentivized to answer those questions because that's a quest or there'll be rewarded for helping other people. So getting into the game side of it too, that's massive. That's a, that's a, that's a breakthrough.

So hats off to you. 

Andy Mai: [00:56:10] Like what I'm thinking is like, imagining those like a Pentagon, you know, those pentagons where there's like, usually in games, it will be like strength, dexterity, luck, um, intelligence, et cetera. But if there was a Pentagon where one was like, I dunno like, um, sales posts that would development in us, um, how five different things and based on the course, they sort of watch and based on like the content they consume and courses they go through.

Those certain different things. And like, you can sort of say where they specialize in. And that could be the, be a whole round of where they'd do a bit of everything. Um, but it'll sort of make it endless where this would become like an RPG, but you are the main character. Like I've always seen myself as a main character.

Well, I was going to say is the main character in this sort of RP, Jamie? Um, because I was like, the reason why RPGs are so addictive is because you're leveling this character of yours. But what if you're the art though? And I'm living with myself every single day, and this is going to be a game changer.

And I was going to work day and night to get this happening. And I'm going to cut out this clip and send it to my developer. Who's also just as involved and be like, yo, this is sort of the vision. 

Joseph: [00:57:26] Fantastic. I I'm, uh, I'm excited for it. Uh, And I, yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm a little speechless, which is not a good thing for somebody who, uh, does an audio show, but it, your answer era has passed what I thought, um, was going on.

I wasn't sure what to make of it, but, uh, just hearing, hearing in, like you said, coming full circle, your, your initial experience in games, you understood that games can be a way for us to learn about ourselves and. And you're bringing it back to that. Um, which, uh, is I think respecting your roots, uh, which is something that I appreciate.

Andy Mai: [00:58:00] Cause when I was young, I was always like thinking of like building my own game, like creating my own version of maple story and all these different, cool ideas on how people could gain  and that sort of dream sort of died out because I didn't have coding knowledge. I knew that you couldn't really make money in games that they can gain is way harder than you think.

But sort of funny how life works and it has come full circle who are unable to. Apply that sort of similar enthusiasm and the ideas and the, what you just told me has definitely catalyzed me to even think, because what I was initially thinking was like each course is its own thing. So focused.

Definitely. If you had your own podcast course, you would have your own group of students they'll have the portal. Everyone was stopped from level zero and each course was independent. But what if every single course was a part of studying.com. 

Joseph: [00:58:48] Well, um, it's, uh, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm a bit of a predestination kind of guy.

So it sounds to me like, uh, the idea that came at the time, it was meant to come. So, you know, happy to do my part, to make the world a better place. 

Andy Mai: [00:59:00] Thank you. I appreciate it.

Joseph: [00:59:01] Anytime. So, uh, one other education question for you, and then we'll get you to our wrap-up question. So yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess you kind of answered it, uh, to some degree already, but let's ask it again anyway.

Uh, what would you like to see change in the education system and, and we'll, we'll direct this more to the institution of schools and you know, what people are going through right now. What do you, what would you like to see different about it? 

Andy Mai: [00:59:28] Got it. I really want to see it de-centralized so right now you're forced to go to college or forced to go to university, or you're forced to pay these high fees, but education is digital books, texts.

It's all digital and it shouldn't be painful. Um, eventually AIS would be able to do everything for you. Like, for example, every single question I get, every single question i didnt answer gets plugged into this QA master sheet. So eventually just like the multiverted cause, eventually I've fumed enough content on a certain topic. 

I answered questions. The. It's going to be every single ad stop. Um, eventually an AI or like a search function could basically pull up every single question and answer. And literally there'll be no roadblocks. I'm happy. Like every single student that comes in and every question I get is a new question I could read and put into the course.

So eventually courses and content and education is going to become like free. And like, I really want to try to. Be the first to do that right now, it does cost money because I can't afford to make it free. But eventually my long term goal is to bring all the courses in studying.com down to free, just like a free MMO, but how things on the backend it's full of creators that we can sort of, you know, extra add ons, if you want some free one-on-one course of the teacher.

If you want to be able to say unlock more videos rather than one videos a day, but basically make it free. So that just like a game. Everyone can enjoy it and everyone can learn. 

Joseph: [01:01:08] Yeah, I'ved asked this question a couple of times, whenever anybody has like, um, a strong, uh, uh, bent towards the educational side, but I haven't actually expressed my own view on it too.

And I think for me, the main thing that I don't like about the educational system is the time limit where people feel like they have to get through elementary school in the first eight years, and then to go right to high school and go right to college. Uh, what I would like to see in schools is more of a free form system where people can sign up for classes.

Let's say I apply for a job and I need a grade eight level of math. And my math level is currently grade six and I'm 32 years old or whatever. So I go to, I go to school, I sign up for the class, I get my, my math courses. And then I, uh, I, I'm now qualified for this job that I'm applying for. And within those classes, as opposed to being stuck with the same people for eight years, some of whom I got along with some of them who I did not get along with, it's a whole new group of people with varying degrees of experience, people that could become my friends, people that might have their own opportunities.

For me, old people, young people, immigrants, locals. All sorts and education should be something that people will pursue throughout their whole life. And, and that to me is I think one of the greatest, uh, tragedies about education in general is that we're conditioned to think that this is something that we have to get out of our system.

All right. We've got our, we've got our learning done, and now we move into the workforce when learning and work is two constants that are throughout our whole life. So me, that's where I would like to see some differences.

Andy Mai: [01:02:45] Yeah. And I really think that it should be customized. Like there's no reason that everyone should be learning the same thing at the same rate.

It should be customized to the student. And that's sort of where AI can really comment. 

Joseph: [01:02:57] All right. 

Well, Andy, this has been fantastic. I, you know, I I'm, I think I'm at like 40 interviews so far. And the thing I keep wondering is how are they going to continue to, uh, change my perspective or be something unique for me to experience?

Uh, sometimes I wonder how, like Joe Rogan he's like what, like a thousand episodes in. And I think, um, he's talked to so many people, how is each person's still significant? And I think what's important is. For the time that we, that we get to, uh, we interact, um, that's what matters most. And, and I, and I take that with me, uh, from episode to episode.

So, uh, I'm super grateful for the time I got to spend with you today. And I know that we're, we're going to have a dialogue going on after this. Cause there was no way this is where the train stops. So last question for you is if you have any parting wisdom and answer to a question that I forgot to ask, uh, this is an opportunity to.

Uh, share it with us and then let people know how to get in touch with you. 

Andy Mai: [01:03:55] So my last parting wisdom, something that I really try to stick to the small steps every single day. It just small steps forward. Every single day, things virtually kind of work out. Everything that happens, happens for a reason.

Like right now it might not make sense, but in like three months time, it's going to be like, okay, That thing had to happen for me to get into this situation. So whatever struggles that you're going through, try to embrace and be like, okay, this needs to happen or something amazing to happen later on. And I think that's sort of how I wanna end the podcast.

So if you guys wanna learn more just Google Andy Mai, Instagram, YouTube mostly should be at platforms on ANDY Mai. And yeah, you could also go to studying.com if you want to learn more. Now, I really appreciate the time. I love the questions that you've been asking and it's been an amazing podcast experience, right? It's real. 

Joseph: [01:04:52] Thank you. It means a lot to me to hear that. And it means a lot to me that our listeners are staying with us and are engaged in this content. So don't ever be shy. People reach out, let us know what you think, and we will check in soon. Take care. 

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