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My guest today Andy Mai is continuing on with his mission to empower others, through his pledge to create 1000 success stories and his gamified education website studying.com. We talk about some of the ideas about time management we explored last time around, and we get an in depth look at studying.com's functionality. And I get to provide some feedback for it, a privilege I don't take lightly. While the small details may seem that, small, what we get to talk about today in regards to managing those small details on a day to day basis is tantamount to living an optimised, productive and happy life. Even after the time between recording the episode and doing this introduction, not a day as gone by where I've not looked at how to make tomorrow that much better.

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[00:00:00] Andy Mai: Anything's possible. Literally anything. If you want to be more happy, that's possible. If you want to be happy every day, if you want to be confident, if you want to get. Anything is possible. I literally thought maybe it's not possible to be happy all the time, but I'm striving all that to happen and I think that's possible.

[00:00:27] Joseph: My guest today, Andy Mai is continuing on with his mission to empower others. There is pledge to create a thousand success stories, and his gamified education website, studying.com. We talk about some of the ideas about time management we explored last time around and we get an in-depth look at studying.com functionality. Then I get to provide some feedback for it, a privilege I don't take lightly. While the small details may seem just that small, what we get to talk about today in regards to managing those small details on a daily basis is tantamount to living an optimized, productive, and happy life. Even between the time of recording this episode and writing this introduction, which happens later down the line, not a day has gone by where I have not looked at how to make tomorrow that much better.

Andy Mai, there is a big, huge smile on my face because you are back. Welcome back to Ecomonics. How you doing this morning? 

[00:01:13] Andy Mai: I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Quite early. Didn't get much sleep last night, but I was really excited to jump on this. I think last time I nearly forgot about it luckily monday night which was last night, how to remind them it was like 7:00 AM tomorrow because I know that put that in my calendar.

I'm going to 7:00 AM is pretty normal for most people. And then I get to the tag around 10:00 AM so anything before like 10:00 AM. I usually it's blocked out and I don't expect to see anything above so I have to write a note saying, Hey, tomorrow at 7:00 AM, there's going to be something in that luckier, remind me and set that alarm.

[00:01:57] Joseph: Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. 7:00 AM is like my, my, uh, my stretch goal over waking up my alarm is set for a hard eight o'clock, but 7:00 AM is like my ambitious wake up time. It's the, oh, I'm gently being aroused out asleep and not being well. I tried getting an alarm clock that has like the sounds of nature, but even those can be pretty great any first thing in the morning, like. 

[00:02:18] Andy Mai: Well, I've been using is this, um, the slap hall. There'll be this bright blue color simulate the songs. The sky is blue, and then it slowly fades that my designs mine, and that's been a pretty good way to wake up I think. 

[00:02:36] Joseph: Yeah, my mine does that too.

It's a great concept. Um, but I'll still like, I'll, I'll look over and it'll be shining on my face and I'll just be like, screw you. 

[00:02:45] Andy Mai: I totally can relate. I thought I'll be able to wake up with like joy, but it still sucks. 

[00:02:52] Joseph: I definitely want to like, you know, um, go through some, some mindset stuff because there's different, I guess, chapters or phases, I guess of Ecomonics, I definitely leaned into a lot of the mindset and working habits stuff, because I felt like, you know, we, we want to establish these things so that we are in a better state of mind when we get to more of the granular stuff. Well, we'll probably talk more about that, but I'm going to, I'm going to chamber it because, um, we've got some really important stuff that we want to cover today.

So for those of you who are joining us maybe for the first time, or this is the first time you're listening to my guest, Andy, uh, I respectfully request that you go listen to the first episode because I choose to not make people have to repeat themselves. Cause people's time is very valuable. So with that, give you guys a second go listen.

Okay. Great. Welcome back. So before we get into the meat of the episode, there are a couple of, um, mindset, questions, and, uh, stuff that I was interested in, in following up with you about one of them that sticks out to me is, and I have to say this is actually probably one of the most resonant, um, takeaway is that, uh, stuck out to me of all the conversations that I had, uh, cause we were talking about how to like optimize meal preparation.

It doesn't sound like a big thing, but it can actually add up. Cause uh, the logic was, if you know, your, your time is more valuable than the money you're saving, cooking food, then you're better off either just like ordering. So I've talked about this to a number of people and I credit you. Although if I'm being honest, I may have slept a couple of times.

And for the most part, people will see the logic, but I, there was one, um, a person who had asked me a question about, um, batch meal prep that I didn't have an answer for. So, um, two parts, number one, has your philosophy on this has it evolved in any way? Is it, has it taken a new shape? And then secondly, is it possible that by say, like preparing things, let's say like, you know, Monday you cook for like two hours, you get all your meals sorted out for the rest of it is actually possible to condense it in such a way that it is a valuable use of time?

Beautiful. 

[00:04:51] Andy Mai: Great question. I love that question. 

[00:04:53] Joseph: I've had like eight months to think about it because it's really been like a top of mind. Cause it's not just, sorry. I know, I know you're about to answer, but because this isn't just about the food itself, it's about the underlying logic that can be used to actually look for efficiencies and a lot of ways efficiency with laundry efficiency, with sleep, with preparing for the day, getting dressed, exercising, it can apply to all sorts of places.

[00:05:16] Andy Mai: Right. So right now I'm actually wanting to open up the Excel sheet that I put together for that video to see if I still have it. Okay. It looks like I can't find it right now, but I was actually going to go through like a lot of examples, um, with you. To answer the first question, I think let's say several months that I think also probably eating like new containers where you would just be fresh fruit.

Microwave, you get the food. Um, did that full three months and then my mom was like why don't you just give me the money? And that's exactly. I brought in as paying the company, give the money to my mom and she's been cooking and delivering meals. Now the question about bulk meal prep, um, I think that when you bulk meal prep, the time of buying the groceries and talking about washing dishes daily, um, what's the other, the beads, those are the two biggest time consuming things.

Those still exist. Now you probably do same time, but a lot of time cooking every day. So maybe the time you reduce by bulk meal prepping on a Monday would probably be reduced by a hundred percent or 50%. It'll be kind of hot and that's pretty conservative. Also you have to take into account that, yes, you're going to be like, you get really bored.

Cause that's it. It's just gonna be the same every day. So you take that and say rather than having to above $7. The hour to make it not worth political or battling that extra hour to watch dailies family hobbies is that it's worth more than $7.50. Then you should have sort of cook they should go meal preps.

If you both will cook, maybe that will double rather than seven 50. Now you have to be willing to be like, well, I'm going to say $15 rather than 7.50. $15 is quite a lot for me. I prefer setting $15 rather than having to stitch out because I would have able to do anything with anyway.

Um, so I think that will be my answer. One, it'll just double up, the sort of costs an hour, and then even if you were able to optimize it, like you somehow cooked pasta. You somehow found a way to be bought, um, plastic plates. Um, it should press it. Didn't have to do the dishes that will probably cut the time until I one, one third cause still you can go to the grocery and then buy the stuff and then do the initial booking.

Now you if to wash dishes every day. So now instead of 7.50, it'll be triple that there'll be like 21, 22, 20 $23 an hour. Um, and yeah. 

[00:08:09] Joseph: I'm impressed by that. The main thing that sticks out is the, um, you know, the lateral efforts that have to be put in in order to, to make the plan worked out. So having to go to the grocery store, having to having to wash dishes, and you're a, there is like a third pillar in there somewhere.

I can't quite put my finger on it. One that it doesn't take up too much time, but I guess it's worth mentioning too, is that when we order meals, the meals usually come in ready to eat. Um, they're usually warm. Um, whereas in the microwave setting, depending on the level of preservation that you have to apply to it, maybe it has to be frozen.

Then you have to take it out. You have to thought. And you know, by the time lunchtime rolls around, it's like half thought. And then there's still an iceberg in the middle. You got to put that into the microwave. Five minutes. That can take 10 minutes. So, you know, you add that up over the week and next thing you know, you've lost an hour, just warming up the food.

So I think we're, that's kind of where that third pillar might be. That's the only other thing that sticks out to me. Um, but again, the reason why I bring this up is again, because of the underlying logic is if you apply this thought process to something as routine as eating, that thought process can, I can apply it to other ways.

And I'm just going to throw it out into the ether just in case. But did you notice the fundamental rule set that you were using and has it applied itself in other capacities? 

[00:09:29] Andy Mai: The first thing that comes to my mind, thinking about it now for the last five seconds is the value of different tasks. So I used to have like hundreds of different things I have to do.

I didn't have a way to organize and know which person which was the most impact. And then I started and I started organizing different tasks of all these different columns, their knowledge. Um, so that's one thing that it really helped lead to. The next big thing is over the last year, I'd be like banging my head against a wall, trying to figure out how to be consistently motivated and productive. There's so many days where I'm killing it so many days when I'm not killing it. So, um, down, um, alternate set of, um, thinking it was a consultant happy. And it was just because I felt like I wasn't in control some days I would just not get things on and some days, um, these would come up.

For example, if it wasn't for this interview, since I had a long day last night, there's a good chance I might have just took this day off. This is a Tuesday. Um, but since I have this sort of, um, bond, a solution that I came to the, before we go to the final solution, I'll strike everything else. Trying different waking up routines, different waking up times, different morning routines.

Working out, not working out. Cold shower, not having cold showers. Of putting my phone away, banning my phone, deleting all the apps on my phone, setting a timer on my TV that will only allow the TV to turn on from six to 9:00 PM. Eating in silence, eating while I'm listening to podcasts, um, eating on my phone, um, and the consequences of that, shall I do that for both lunch and breakfast and lunch.

So if I do a breakfast, um, well, when should I eat dinner? Those, all of these different things, I'll texting them a solution that work. I wasn't able to combine it all until I came to creating these checklist and the checklist of every single little thing I need to check off throughout the day. And I think when I sort name as a checklist, it's a bit unrelatable.

It's a bit sort of, that's like crazy one, but she was for the whole day, I guess the best medical. It's not like a checklist. It's like a workout set. It's like a swimming set where you go swimming is follow all these things. That's in the best mental, it's like a local set that you follow rarely during the work that you just laid off.

Why the money stopped that work, that you just stopped checking it until it stopped. That's the metaphor I have for. So I have this sort of creating a sort of how like little minor thing, like it will have wake up, five minutes of meditation, exercise part 1, go to the restroom, exercise part 2.

Clear the dishes, eat oats in silence and specifically in silence, water plants, brush teeth, guitar practice, post something on my Instagram reels, login to my Binance, and then put my phone on airplane mode and put my phone away. So that's a no that will be next. All signed us and save it for later.

That's another little thing. Cause I've noticed when I was just clearing my day, all start going into different side tangents rather than just trying to be in my morning routine. So I should put aside things onto my thing. Morning routine, lunch, silence, no TV, no music. Um, so basically put in all these trap preventions, each of the checklist, um, the next thing I'm going to implement soon.

I could only have lunch after I completed the task before lunch, and I can only have dinner until I end the day. And then that should have prevented me from ending so late last night. Um, I don't remember why I had dinner. I think I picked up my phone with my mom called me or something I'm trying to remember, but I think the prevention to that is growing my phone on to wrap up the day.

So if I get any messages saying, Hey, do you want to have dinner? 

[00:14:15] Joseph: The timing of this, uh, is pretty opportune too, because this is something that I've been struggling with. Some breakthroughs are having, having checklists task lists. I'm just writing down all the things that I could potentially get done today.

Uh, but what, what I would, I wouldn't write down the stuff that becomes routine. Like I wouldn't be writing down, wake up most of the time, sometimes I do. But for the most part, I wouldn't do it. And what I like about your, your, your system is the, the sequential nature of it. The first thing has to be done when I wake up, nothing happens before wake up.

Right. And you have to forgive me, I grew up, uh, in the nineties and there is that I think it was system of a down the chop suey time you hear wake up, I just grabbed a bunch of put a little makeup. I'm sorry. It just, I can't stop it anyways. So you're doing that. And then each task, uh, is the next a significant priority.

And you can't do the next one until the first one is cleared. And there's one thing I'm wondering about that, which is, is timing a factor. So let's just say for instance, that the first few tasks you expect to do them by say 9:00 AM, but it's 10:00 AM and they haven't been done yet. Do you still do them or do you say, okay, the other tasks which I'm expecting to do by 10:00 AM, they're starting to take more priority.

I have to go to them right away. 

[00:15:27] Andy Mai: Awesome. So one reason why, I also have this tracking system. Now, the reason why I credit the system is because I also have a problem not knowing when to take a holiday. I didn't know when to take a full five day break.

I literally just didn't know. Um, I didn't know if I should continue working if I should take a break, take a break at this. So there was a business trip I'll I'll say to kill two birds with one stone, but what happens if that doesn't come off? Well, the last two years there's a lockdown. And then all of a sudden, now I'm like in this dilemma of like, do I deserve a break?

Should I keep working some of this place system. If I wrap up, I shouldn't be around 20 thousands of 40,000 points. Cause then I'm due for a break and I shouldn't go the load 20,000 because then I'm taking off too many breaks. So we'll all spend each day and I can wait, I'll get like 30, 33 points.

If I smashed out the day, each day I take off, we'll take away 100 and twenty-five points. So it's a perfect equilibrium way. If you work five days a week, you can take two days off and do that. All week to work six days a week, take one day off. And each week we'll be sending one day. So that eventually it's seven weeks.

Then you can take off, take off seven nights. Um, so that's another system I added. To answer that next questions, um, I think that's a great question. Um, usually send it in a way where if I wake up late on days where I wake up 11, I'm more refreshing, much bigger and then I sort of tend to catch up because I put in a lot of breathing room into this checklist. Number two is who I stop halfway. That's something I haven't tested yet directly. Yes. Because each task is a trigger for the next task. So if I stop halfway, just starting with that task, it shouldn't be able to trigger the next days.

I'm going to test that today, because today with this sort of made a change of schedule, I'm most likely to skip the cold shower because I've already changed, I might skip the workout. Like right now I am bouncing between five. Just like go through everything might as well. Or should I actually try and skip a few things?

And now I'm trying to think is this the logical side of me talking or is this the emotional side of me talking that's wanting me to skip the workout, which is pretty gruesome and see if the culture, which I also know it's, it's pretty tough. Um, or is this a logical move. And then to that, I'll probably like, just like talk to myself out loud and then I'll come to an answer.

[00:18:37] Joseph: I'm curious, here are the results of that when it comes to that point. Not that I'm the best at prediction. I haven't won some once in a while. I think the strongest element of it is the ability to make a sequence. And that over time the muscle memory starts to build up. And part of doing these things in order just makes them much easier for it to sink in.

So that's kind of where we're, I'm thinking. Um, That's where it is going to be at its best. Um, but yeah, I love talking about this so much so that I'm going to put a pin in it for now. And, uh, depending on how much time we've got, well, what we can come back to it, which I forgot to ask you by the way, but, uh, it's already 30 minutes into our booking.

Do you have to run in the next 30 minutes or can we, uh, gonna keep you for a little bit longer? 

One of the main things that we had talked about last time that, uh, we were, uh, we were, it was an exciting conversation, um, because it speaks to the continuation of education on the, in the digital space and you, you set it up, it was studying.com, which is by the way, it's a you're, you're so excited that your name right now is studying.com.

So which I'm all for, you know, a brand way, my friend. And so let's hear from it, it wasn't a months ago. And at that time I think you would acquire the domain, but that was all I knew about it. So how is it going? And, um, yeah, I mean, there's like a hundred different ways I can ask a question, but, um, I'm, I'm just happy to see that you follow through.

And so how are things going with it and what have you seen unfold so far? 

[00:20:24] Andy Mai: Back then my goal was to really gamify education. Like I've always had this dream to write my own game, just like how you've been wanting to play this amazing fantasy. Like, well, some reason I always played games and I was like, man, like I can create a game way better than this.

And just out of chance of being thrown into the education space. And one of the biggest thing I wanted to do, I was wanting to gamify and socialized education. I want it to add innovations. Like if you watch a video, you'll gain eight state, you can level up. Um, you can, then this relatable eventually made me, there's like a currency, but it's like, if you, if you go free to play, you could actually go through the program and just learn a lot and use whatever your buy more courses for free.

Um, then a lot more than happy to pay the braid off that difference just to encourage people to that are free to play mode to just. They can also watch content and gain sort of needs, speed, gain some currency, and then spend that on you guys to sort of compounding. That all sort of like the goal, um, as well as spreading community.

Again, when I looked at uDemy, all this other online platforms couldn't help me offer this and absolutely was like, okay, , that's my long term goal, we need to develop this in-house. So we went ahead and spent a lot of time on the perfect developer, trying to growth and development team. And then we started working on the portal, um, and being working on the online portal when that whole system I'm talking, telling you about the over the last few months. Uh, and we had, we launched version one maybe three months ago. Now version two is actually being launched in the next one or two weeks. So, you know, I wish it would be out now, so I can say, well, the new extra pages, um, the version two sort of.

Um, and like many, many ideas on keep implementing in this like game of building my own sort of product has been so satisfying because it's something that, you know of ideas on pitching it, it's turning into life. Um, it's setting into life rules fine. And it's just the, that's sort of the, the quick summary. 

[00:22:55] Joseph: You are, right.

I can relate to it due to my extensive knowledge and experience with gaming. And so for those of you who maybe, you know, you don't spend too much time playing games. So one thing that a lot of games struggle with is a, how do they make money? And B is how to create a fair ecosystem for people who are paying it, people who aren't, which you'll find in a lot of games is, it seems to work as long as the two groups don't have too much interaction. Um, for instance, if there's a game where players are allowed to kill one another, the CA the players who have invested money into it tend to be at an advantage. They have a stronger weapon.

They have a helmet that doesn't look like one of those little propellor caps. Um, and whereas the people who are just playing for free, they're the ones that are usually on the back foot, um, conversing skill is one of the great equalizers. So you will have people who will invest the money into it, but they're still terrible at the game.

And so they will end up getting wallets by somebody who is naturally adept at the game, even if they're not using any money. So this is by no means an indication of studying.com a particular strategy, but this is just the situation as it stands. So what I'm wondering about is the, have you, are you noticing in whether you're strategic or perhaps already an execution is are there, um, actual advantages that free to play people are holding over, um, pay-to-play people and conversely are actually have there actually been disadvantages for people who are investing money into it. Maybe their expectations are too high. Maybe they're, they're not getting the results they thought because they're putting the money down and they have perhaps rightly, perhaps wrongly an expectation of a result to occur as a, as a result of them putting money down.

[00:24:44] Andy Mai: I haven't implemented. So for the version two is gonna allow the free to play people up in. Has it telling me that the idea I haven't given them, idea is the, when someone signs up on studying.com will be just like signing up on facebook.com. There'll be a lot of people giving away free resources. When you post on newsfeed you get exp, when you send messages on the group chat. It's going to be a, probably a long slow process, you can probably just we'll take whatever. So we go through a bunch of template to save up enough exp to then put it into say my program.

Now I was like, okay, there's already levels. It's going to be way confusing If I implement a currency, like how I'm going to figure this out. One solution currency and exp will be the exact same thing. You gain an exp every time you purchase a course, now you lose exp.

Not you get knocked back down. So if you wanted to stay on the top, being more active. You watch it, you take down the new bosses. Two, you then become a sort of course grader, but you have your own resources.

You share your own value that you can learn from based on courses. When people go ahead and sort of dabble in your content, you get a exp as people watch your video. Like you'd have a getting views from everyone that watches your videos.

Um, so maybe I can see that in the end, people that the top of the leaderboard will be mainly creatives and, and a few people who just spend all day consuming content. Um, and that's sort of what I envision. It's not only coming to fruition. Um, they'll probably be like a little vision.

Um, but yeah, I'd love to get your thoughts and, uh, and yeah, you're right. There's something that you can definitely relate. And I can just tell, like may, like last time when we talked about maple store and the MMOs RPGs and gets on top of those, and I guess that's sort of we overlap.

[00:27:15] Joseph: Have you ever heard of a newgrounds.com? 

Okay. So newgrounds.com is where I cut my teeth as a, as a kid. And it is an animators website, or they have animations, they have games. They have, I think they do like just a straight up writing, um, art. Uh, now nigra is also by the way, it is not family friendly. Um, there was actually a great deal of mature content in the idea of breaking new grounds.

They are actually one of the, um, last remaining frontiers of freedom of expression. If people want to do something horrific and violent, they're free to do it. I mean, you know, there's always the, you know, the, like the big three, the three things like you don't do no matter what, otherwise you'll get kicked out the website, but for the most part, they allow for people to kind of whatever it is that they please, and yes and there was even adult content for those of you wondering so you can filter it. So you don't look at the auto content, but just so you all know now that's not the reason why I'm bringing it up. The reason why I'm bringing it up is because new grads. Is had, has a system that, um, has some similarities to what you're describing here.

So somebody would sign up for an account and people would submit their, their animations, their games into the portal. And when they first arrive, they are being voted on. And if the votes are too low, it gets removed in their terms, it gets blamed. Um, but if the votes are high, uh, relative to the amount of votes, then they will actually receive a highlight indicating that this is a superior quality.

And then more people will start checking it out. And the beauty of it, at least back when I used to be active on it every day is that on the left hand column would be the new stuff on the right hand column. It would be the top 50 animations of all time. And people would maybe they'll want to watch the top 50 stuff they would want to see what's hot for the week.

What's hot for the month. And then they wanted to look at the new stuff that how did, how did, how were they incentivized? Well, as people were voting. And they would submit, I think like five or 10 volts a day. And that was the max. They couldn't continue to vote so that people don't abuse the system, but they would build up, um, experience.

And so over time they would actually have more voting power. So the idea was the more somebody participated, the more weight their vote would carry. So if somebody was an active user every day for years, not make or break, but was enough to represent 10 people who were relatively new. And this was an interesting loop system because you do have some people that will abuse it.

But for the most part, it was funny because he would actually get a reputation for being a bad voter because, um, if somebody had, was constantly like downloading things, uh, they could represent that in their aura. So you had like a dark aura, you had a neutral, or you had a light aura. Yeah. But you would also have people who would constantly, um, over positive vote things too.

So, but if somebody had a light or they were kind of a weenie and that they weren't being critical enough and they were constantly giving things like, you know, a kindness vote, it's like, oh, well you tried, it sucks, but we're going to give you a nice vote anyways. So there was, there was this amazing balancing act between the dark voters and the light voters and that every.

And somehow the content always came out representing, um, the, the, the value that was expected of it. If it was a good cartoon and made it through, if it was a bad cartoon, it would get lost in the shuffle and each individual voter it not only had, uh, varying power, but their power had different routes that it would go into.

So I don't know how to exactly turn this into a question, but this was what came to my mind. Just basically what you're describing. 

[00:30:49] Andy Mai: Yeah. I think that's definitely just a lot of ideas. Like the next thing I wanted to do was create like an AI where AI, like an algorithm where we can sort of tell what video that the person might want to watch now.

Based on, based on track record like me, we have a tracker hood of all the all 500 students on what bitters are for what videos they watch. So technically with that, we shouldn't be able to use algorithms to predict what videos people might want to watch. The next thing is I really wanted it to be like an Instagram sort of social media, where people, you know, and Instagram people have a feed of all their photos and all that things they do.

There's like tagged photos, et cetera, signed on Commonwealth would be like a feed of all the courses people have consumed and all the courses and resources they are. Um, and I'll be like a cool sort of be looked like badges. You can go to other people's profiles and see what they learn, what courses they've delved into, what resources they may offer.

And then, you know, I download a damn resources. Now that's now in your sort of folder. Um, and then there's this whole social currency, social, like everyone's sort of trying to help each other, that sort of, um, while I'm trying to sort of create and then maybe with like, if you become really prominent and then you can gain a lot of a state and by default, you'll probably get a lot of followers that won't give you a lot of sort of power because now every time you might get published, like, Hey, I released this new resource, everyone go ahead and download it.

You're going to get a lot of rich. Also you have the power to now up the it'll promote someone else's product and be like, Hey, I just downloaded. This course is awesome. I think everyone should also download it as. Um, just because I never want to miss any, just because one has a lot of followers and two is at the top of the leader.

Um, so that's the thing that, that comes to mind. 

[00:32:51] Joseph: Two things that popped into my mind. So one of them is about your, you know, your AI algorithm and one of the components of, you know, browsing the internet that I really think is a strong and perhaps a little underrated is, is tagging. So let's say for instance, I, you know, I put a, uh, a tutorial sequence of tutorial videos, and each one I have a bunch of tags underneath it.

And I don't mean like hashtag on Instagram. I mean, like, uh, I don't know if you've ever used to click up, but a click up actual puts like these little labels and they have different colors to it. And what I can see me doing is if I'm viewing somebody else's video, I'm clicking on the tags that I think resonated with me.

And then my profile would have this aggregate of different tags that I have. I've taken two. So if, if informative, if I click on that one every time, then what the algorithm will be able to do is. Look at what videos have the same kind of like tag, um, uh, methodology and then the, and those ones would pop up.

And then at the same time, the creators can see who's clicking on the tags based on what they think is relevant. So if I come into this thinking, well, this is going to be mostly informative one, but everyone is clicking on it for the word educational, like, oh, that's interesting. So I guess people are leaning more into the education side than the informative side.

So that's the thought that comes to my mind. Um, and I, and I, and I loved the heck out of doing that. The other thought that came to my mind too, is the relationship between the product and marketing. Because the concern that I was wondering if you're having is if the, the activity around the content is starting to have more influence than the quality of the content itself.

Like if somebody is like, over-hyping it, and then everybody goes to the video and goes, well, they, oh, well, this guy really promoted the heck out of it. So I guess it's good. And if that's the case, then maybe I should, I should do it. This person says, um, and then conversely, you have something that is, um, uh, like highly accurate and maybe it's not getting the attention that it deserves.

And so I'm wondering if that's a concern, but what I think this is important to keep in mind is that this has always been the relationship between the product and the marketing. You do need to have good marketing and you need to have good product. Wasn't my idea, my mentor, Ricky Hayes. He's the one that's nailed it into my head.

Marketing is, is the most important part because if you have a good product and no, nobody knows about it, then who cares? Yeah. Great. 

[00:35:18] Andy Mai: Or like the passing months and also the think about it like 30 seconds ago before you brought that up was a rating system, a sort of five star system for courses, but I didn't want to do it just that because you know, I'm a big fan of not doing what's some not doing something that's already existed.

Like usually already has ratings on their courses. So that's something I'll have to think about. Like how do I create a rating system that make it even more powerful than you? So I might have to log into our udemy account, go through the free course section, that $5 course section four section.

So five reviews and see what I'd like different. See what I'm missing, go to admins on seal or what they do or what makes their reviews so powerful. Is it the reviews or is it the ranking system on what ranks first? Um, and I think hopefully with the review system, Um, that would solve a lot of issues from people promoting courses. 

[00:36:25] Joseph: Now I put this offer out to you before we were recording, but w you're more than welcome to I I'll hand hosting over to you and we can have a look at edit. Um, and I guess I'll also put this out on the table to you. No, no, no obligation, no pressure or anything like that, but if you want it to show us what you're working on, rather than, uh, what you have, because chances are this won't be released until it comes out anyways.

So I just wanted to put that offer out, obviously, it's your discretion. All right. So, uh, hosting has been handed over to you, so, uh, 

[00:36:59] Andy Mai: So this is the login page, studying.com/login. Eventually I probably would just remove just go just straight studying.com. Just like Facebook does it like also thinking, like, why do I need eventually when this becomes free why would I need a home page, because like Facebook and Google, they don't have any home page for their website.

You just go straight.

[00:37:26] Joseph: With the user, I guess, on Facebook, especially the user is determining their own homepage by, you know, where they, where did you ended up first? And then in Google's case, it's just happens to be like, You know, you go to google.com and then the search is, is there a waiting for you.

So, uh, they don't try to inundate people with news or they don't try to start influencing people's mindset because when people go on to that search engine, they already know what it is there. Therefore, so Google just says, okay, we're just here to be a tool. Uh, by the way, did you know about this 1982, uh, Scottish inventor.

This, is there a special day, other than that, if we were we're here to, uh, facilitate your searching needs. So that's my, my, my, my thoughts on that. 

[00:38:09] Andy Mai: Yeah. And then like Facebook, if you new user and didn't know what facebook.com was, they don't have like a home page where you can facebook.com. It's just like a login page.

We're looking at right now but obviously it would have to be like.

Like let's login. So this is a current portal we have. Now this is version one of the portal. Um, you know, we do mastermind goals. Ranking of all this sort of, um, students and are the levels. And surprisingly, you would expect that, you know, how else they sort of, um, really one cannot this, but surprising how people would just churn through the course and watch a lot of videos just to climb these rankings.

Um, I was quite shocked of, of how this actually had looked at the thing. Like I thought this was only a thing that would happen to younger people, but, um, people actually enjoy getting that. Now if you post something on the newsfeed, that's that first hi. You'd have successful gained 30exp. So this basically incentivize a growing community right now.

There's no, like, as it changed, turned , that's when I can really see an exploding of like interaction and community, because now everyone's incentivized to interact. Um, so that will be the next step. Now, if we go to the modules, let's go to the dropshipping program. 

[00:39:53] Joseph: I have a quick question for you first.

So with regards to the experience that you are collecting, uh, it will be retroactive where once it converts into a currency system, their experience will be spendable. 

[00:40:04] Andy Mai: That's the goal because I was thinking of using a second currency. I felt like that is where things get too confusing, where there's like exp and then the amount of money you have.

But then at the same time, if it's turned into a currency, you put in all this hard hardwork to level up to 50 and you spend it all on this one big course. And now you're back to level one. 

[00:40:29] Joseph: Yeah, I see. I see. Yeah. I mean, this is like, it's a one-time problem, right? Because once it's resolved, it's, it's not gonna be an issue again.

So the simplest way that I can see doing it would just be, see, say, give people a lump sum based off their experience level, um, say, Hey, you know, we're, uh, we're, we're entering this currency system because if current level we're just going to give you, I don't know, 500 points, so go nuts. And then if you really want to get like the high level of energy. You can always say we're implementing this system in a months time. So if you haven't, um, uh, if you have some time to level up, you know, now would be the, uh, an ideal time to do it because we're going to give you some, uh, uh, some extra points for it. So it might get somebody to, you know, eat a little bit of humor levels out there, 75 that they can stand to get to 80.

So luckily it's one of those things you're going to have to resolve. 

[00:41:24] Andy Mai: You would like to have two different sort of currencies with us, like a currency and a exp, I guess that's like most people have their level and they have the money. 

[00:41:36] Joseph: Right. Cause, cause, cause again, if you don't want people to feel like their, their experience is mitigated and then conversely, if new users sign up afterwards, they would also want to be able to participate in the experience system as well.

So yeah. I mean, RPGs have like 500 different, you know, variables that are increased. You know, you have experience with goal at the stats of cross muscle. Like two, I think two, two stats. One is spendable. One is a measure of progress I think is a, is digestible. Okay. 

[00:42:05] Andy Mai: That's a really good idea because now we can have, like, we could keep the same level people who consume a lot of content.

How about as a course, crane, do you think a close credit should get or should they get currency for every person that downloads their resource? Um, the prologue, if they should get every eight space, like now, like high-level, people are creatives and we want to love praise. The call of that is what if you just have one course has pushed it like crazy.

And, and, and you've, you've basically shocked all these people who are actual users will study learning, watching videos, and they're sort of pushing to the top and they don't want to become a shop, but they're not being recognized because all these teachers has happened in vantage because they could just have one poll, how 300 people watch it.

Now they're pushed to the top and they haven't consumed the content on learn anything. And they haven't studied. 

[00:43:04] Joseph: That's a great question. And I, so my, my first gut reaction is you could just do another, um, osmosis where there's creator XP. Um, and so maybe it's like a separate economy, but now we're worrying the thing where, okay, well, every time we have a problem, is this solution going to be another currency?

I know their metric. So that, that is a solution, but it could be a bit too, um, unwieldy over time if people keep going back to that. Um, so, so just thinking about how it, you know, like what is it a stitch in time saves nine? So the other thing that I think is worth pointing out is, and this, I think speaks to a much broader issue about how exactly is a person's value quantified when it comes to any form of compensation. So for instance, you have say like an illustrator, uh, they've been, they've been illustrating for over 10 years and they're very good at it. And when they're charging money, they're not just charging money to cover their costs, um, and to, you know, make a living their value.

And what they're charging is based off of the time that they put into it, their schooling, um, all the times they worked for free or for exposure. And, and I would say, I have that issue myself as well. Like, cause we were learning as we talked about last time is, you know, as more creators come on, I could come on and do my thing as a, uh, as a podcast or an as an interviewer.

And so I would be like cumulating experience and people might resent that, but I would say, listen, I haven't been doing this for a long time and I, and I, and I've struggled quite a bit. And so to have this way to actually, um, get results from, from the work that I've put in, um, is very encouraging to me.

So I will look at it as a way to encourage the people who are just the learners to ask themselves, what can they offer? Maybe they know something that they've been doing for a long time, and maybe they haven't even had an opportunity yet to share that value with other people. So perhaps it should be a motivation for them to say, well, why don't you become a creator?

And, um, the, and, and, and sh, and share what you know, and, and people can vote on. And vote on that. If we're looking for an equivalency in a video game in say like an MMO, like world of Warcraft. So, you know, people will start with their starting classes, like their warriors or their Rangers. They're uh, sorry, not Rangers they're hunters.

Uh they're they're warlocks and stuff like that. But then people also pick up a profession where they do blacksmithing. They do mining, they do tailoring, and it's a way to, to generate revenue and to keep themselves busy and to be able to provide additional value. So it's, it's also a brand that's to bring this all down to the bottom line, which is, do you want, um, what do you want it to be the optimal experience for a user?

Do you want everyone who's a learner to also be a teacher? Um, or are you okay with there being a divide between the teachers and the learners? And then there just happens to be people who meet in the middle? 

[00:46:14] Andy Mai: I think mine goal is ideally everyone's sort of when everyone's in the home, if you go to their profile, they probably consume a lot of courses.

Like they probably have like 10 different courses in that courses section, but they have two or three resources on them, whether it's free or they try to charge it all for it. Um, but basically they have some PDF. They want to share some notes or some people that's sort of the ideal go as long as everyone's doing a bit of both.

And then based on what you just asked me was like a great sort of the light bulb lit up beside the ad. So there's always, what is a goal the next 10 years based on what the longterm goal is? That will answer my question. Um, so I need to figure out what my longterm goal and that is my long-term goal. Um, if the goal is to have people have be both a creator and a.

Learner, maybe the solution is to sort of scale things like the exp you get from watching a video. Let's, let's see if we can watch a view. And right now he has a short one minute video. So I use, I think people used to like, be able to skip to the very end and claim his fade. So now we sort of create a system where as you can see skip it, it brings you back, but I can see save some time, but while they're waiting for the student to finish, my theory is maybe like if, when watching a video you'll get saved 30 bucks, the next thing that the scale is the longer the video, the more hasty you get, that's something we're working on.

Um, but maybe watching a video is worth 30 years fee, but if someone watches. Oh, downloads your PDF. You only get one day mix tape. So I'll stale in things in a way where the top 10 is always a mix of learners and creatives, if the 50, um, and also people who just post a lot on the newsfeed and I'm really interactive and sell things where there's the healthy people at the top.

And based on if all of a sudden does nine, the top nine out of 10 people of craters that are no, I have to stand out like . And I think that's sort of how I'll move. I'll just look up the top 10 and based on how even this. 

[00:48:36] Joseph: And then you can always say you can always have, um, special, uh, ladders as well, like creative, if you're, if you're a creator or you, if you're on this ladder, um, even do you have also also happened to be a learner, but this is a creator specific one.

I learned a specific one. And, and so on. One of the things that I struggled with, like in, in competitive gaming is the assumption that everybody has the same goal, where everybody is trying to be. And I relate this to Pokemon of all things. Um, whereas like the, you know, the main character in the show wants to be a Pokemon master.

They want to catch all the Pokemon and they want to defeat all the gym leaders. They want to be, you know, they want to be at the elite for. It's not a healthy ecosystem. If everybody wants to be a Pokemon master w a healthy ecosystem is where the people have different priorities. Some people actually just want to be gym leaders and they want to specialize.

You have some people who actually are professionals. I'd like they're Fisher people, or they they're farmers. They just so happen to have a couple of focal bone that are really helpful in their profession. And so I say, Hey, why don't, why don't you, you test your Pokemon. Fishing Pokemon. And, and that is not only a healthy, competitive ecosystem, but that is just a healthy world economy.

Um, so it's important to help people figure out what are their own individual goals. And you have the people who want to be the masters and they want to be at the top. But if that is the only competitive mechanism, then a lot of other people will, uh, not have something for them to, to really sink their teeth into.

[00:50:06] Andy Mai: That's the exact, we'll always on the same page. Like I was thinking about like, what is the top 10 becomes too intimidating? We're so out of your reach, lead data volunteer trial, that's something that came to my mind as I'll say that can definitely be a problem where it's like, how do we make it fun for the people at bottom?

Now, the next thing that comes to mind is TikTok. Created a system somewhere, you don't really care about followers, but at the same time you do a bit. Cause it's cool to have. But you use it because the home feed is just amazing, but he loved that because it's so tailored to you. And like they might post a thing here and there that will get reached in the stick up like sharing instead of new people's content, um, where that created the perfect balance of.

You care about solving where like some people do take as a job, but at the same time, people used to practice as a consumer. They just watch and consume content. Right. That's something that I actually definitely started. 

[00:51:06] Joseph: Yeah. I've um, I waiver on my own opinion of TikTok doc. Cause it's very good as a, as a user, but it's like it can get pretty addicted pretty quickly. So yeah, I've, I've liked, installed and uninstalled in like a number of times, uh, in the last couple of weeks. 

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There was something that I wanted to ask you about, um, with regards to, um, uh, studying.com, but it looks like the video is done. So refresh my memory. Was there something you wanted to show us about what the experience.

[00:51:54] Andy Mai: Yeah. So I think as you might've missed the video record, people will say, um, like often we are not the amount of the estate we gave to watching this video was exp, and I know we'll get into your exp. So the idea is sort of incentivizes them know when people go back to the thing, that's like a take button and everyone wants to get to the point where they see stars on all their modules, because it's like a satisfaction of, okay, this is checked and they're sort of gone third each module one by one, try to just add as many styles as possible, um, just to really complete the program.

Um, so yeah, this is sort of like a gist of what the program looks like. Um, my course, um, particularly we have like, like we've set up a system where there's five layers, one is just like all of these weeks, which are split up different stuff. Topics, but like Facebook ads, product research base of scale.

And then let's say you go into say order fulfillment, frequently asked questions. This would be layer two. There'll be layer three layer. For example, Ali express and JSP, we'll have two videos on just this one topic and they'll be. Or so we have four layers in the course. And the reason I do that is because for example, when you get to product research, I could show you how to do product research once, but it might not be enough really to get the hang of it, maybe because I've missed something.

So as a result, Product research. I do it five times with five different , five different stores from five different countries. So if you watched me showing and doing it the first time, you didn't understand, you could watch it another four times. And there's a good chance that by the time you've watched five episodes, you know how to do product research inside out.

Now, the next question is, how do you take someone? What is a good product and what is not? So I literally have a monitored, adjustable critiquing products where literally I write thousands of products. There's like 24. Let's keep going. Let's see how many episodes now. There's a lot. I think there's like 50 episodes on.

Did she write a thousand products? So people by the end of 54 episodes, now they'll like the question of, I don't know how to look at a product and give it a rating. Well, have you watched 54 episodes of Beethoven? If the answer is none of them, that's sort of the solution. So I like this layering system because I'm not taking a lot of courses now to do, and they had two layers, so it was like weeks and then videos for each week.

And then if you're lucky you might have three lines. They wouldn't have four layers of video, which then would make my course, um, I wouldn't be able to upload my course onto any platform because no platform offered four layers at the same time. Four layers could now make things really unorganized. Um, and that's something.

[00:54:59] Joseph: And so this is what I was wondering about as well, which you, you sound, my answer here is, cause I was watching some of your YouTube videos about how much content you're uploading to this. And you're uploading quite a bit. I think he said, what was it like 500 hours worth of content. And so how exactly are you, um, I guess vetting your, your, your content.

Um, and before I let you answer, I just want to note the layering system to me, um, is helpful because it doesn't put an end point on how much content has to be uploaded in relation to anything. So refer now you have 54 episodes of product rating, but a couple of months go by and it's still something that you're doing.

And of course it's still probably evolving as well. There's going to be another potential 54 episodes. And it's just this continuous thing where somebody can say, man, I've done 20 of these. I get it. Or they say, I've done 20 of these. I still don't get it. So, yeah, but I just like saw. So I just want you to take me through how you're determining, um, uh, what to upload.

And I, I'm almost getting the impression that you're just pretty much uploading everything. Cause it's all probably value in one way or another. 

[00:56:09] Andy Mai: This, uh, try to train and team members. And it's been really difficult because I sort of know the topic and I've had to personally vet videos and how come than so much part that is interlinked with these mastermind balls and people come to mastermind or last impressions that wasn't answered in the course.

So answer it. I'll chop it off. Roll that back into the course. So we have every little question by how does price effect. Chances this product will be a winning product. How do I learn how to write prompts? Well, this little question here. Thoughts on shark products. 

[00:56:54] Joseph: Okay. Yeah, no, that that's, that can be about right.

Somebody's kid opens it up. 

[00:57:00] Andy Mai: On seasonal products, copyright products and competing against brands. Like since I do these mocks of mind goals, I'm having all these weird questions I'm going into this blind will affect with the more students come in. The more questions I ask the better, the course, the better the course, the more unique questions I get, the more unique questions I get, the more the course gets bigger.

And on top of that, I'll get a lot of repeating questions and the more repeated questions I get so long ago, that section would be common. The more longer that second week, it becomes an evident problem that people now sort of bring their attention to because speak people episodes, and it creates this crazy.

Um, and then mostly if I do this, this becomes a foundation of what I'm then want to follow. 

[00:57:49] Joseph: I think it's a, it's fascinating and it just speaks to human psychology as well. And one thing that I think is really helpful about this is I'm not exactly sure how I want to characterize it, but I can see somebody is watching all those videos and then they come back to a mastermind course and they said, look, I've watched all 54 of them.

And I still have a unique question. So even the more content that you're making is allowing for there to be more exploration of the concept for other people to come in at a different angle. And then ask that question, then next thing. You know, that that answer is on that. And the, and the, and the cycle continues.

It's been a while since I heard the term flywheels, um, just to kind of like, uh, run through the concept really quickly. It just sounds like it's you just, you hit these touch points and each touch point leads to the next one. And it's a positive cycle. Is that the majority of it? Or am I missing anything?

[00:58:44] Andy Mai: The basic sample is probably something like the more people that use , the more money that drives, I've got to make the more money and the drivers is going to make, the more drivers are going to want to join Uber. The more drivers that are going to enjoy Uber, is faster, the faster, the car time, the more people want to use Uber and the more people want to use it, but the more money positive feedback loop.

[00:59:15] Joseph: I see. Yeah. That, uh, that clears that one up. So, uh, excellent. Um, did you have anything else you wanted to show us about this? Uh, otherwise I think we can turn off the screen share for now. 

[00:59:24] Andy Mai: I'd love to turn it off. I think that's about everything. I think portal version two, um, we have the tools which I need to work on more where like, it has like a bunch of different things.

Like another thing I wanted to create, which ADI do is a product rated library. Like I want it to get a team member to go through all thousand products operated, get the image, get the name or the product put in a rating. So Pipkin such insight dog. And there'll be every dog product got separated will be of this library.

But at the same time, what if I somehow have other people. Upload products and get like a gentle rain from the community and people get HP when they're writing and just have this infinite library where we've basically rated every product. And technically you can just go from highest rating to the lowest rating and look at this hot products.

But then the thing is over time based products lose their rating just to get saturated. So that's another problem, but there is a tools page, but the new features we'll put a version two is we want to go ahead and create things such as a global newsfeed and a sort of following news phase. So to incentivize people to use the following function.

Um, the next thing is we want the ability for each individual to go ahead and upload their own resources and their own course that's another function is we want people to be able to buy and have in PayPal as a function where individual students can buy and sell and then offer their own program. So a lot of things happening version two first, save that or.

For the food shop, but that's the gist of what's to come. But yeah, I really appreciate you letting me share this and you being awesome. Those amazing questions in relation to this. Let me stop the sharing now. Thank you so much, Joseph. 

[01:01:12] Joseph: Well, you're welcome so much. It's what I'm here for. And I, and conversely, I appreciate, um, for, for one that you, uh, how do I say this without being too hard on myself?

Well, I appreciate that you appreciate my insight. You know, I, I hesitate to, I do my best not to like come across as a, as a no at all, only because I've done that in the past and other, uh, career pursuits. And I just, I really try to practice humility, but even so I appreciate having a chance to kind of like apply my own thought process to it because, uh, I really believe in what you're doing and um, and I think it's great.

There is, uh, something else, a couple of other things I just wanted to follow up on. So one of them is I know that one of your missions is you want a thousand success stories and your wall is coming. And got your videos on it. So where, how does that mission come along right now? Uh, how, how far have you gotten into the thousand success story mark? 

[01:02:03] Andy Mai: Let me check. So last time I think I was at 20 something, 30 something now I think we've crossed the 40 mark where we have probably a, like, we're getting close to 45 , 41.2. That's sort of where it at the moment. I think that's something that I need to double down more on the more sort of following up on people, more success stories, but wondering wonderfully, I left 41 points of view from all over the world.

Um, ideally I do want to get a hundred by now. I am simulated, maybe 10 or 15 since we've lost talk, but that's where I'm at. 

[01:02:40] Joseph: Yeah. I mean, if, if you average it out, it's like 1.3 per month, but you know, that's still a someone's life was changed significantly and now I'm there and their effect is having a resonant effect on, on their people.

I remember one of your stories that we we had talked about is how, you know, you were able to return the favor for your mother who had a lot of, uh, work, um, uh, raising you guys. And so you have similar stories, I think for each person, um, as well. So that, that, that they have that number, but then you also have the, the, the ripple effect of all of it.

And I think that is much more, um, uh, uh, profound, just, just from, just from my point of view, but nonetheless, I, uh, I welcome as every addition to that list as, uh, uh, sorry, when it gets late in the day, sometimes I lose my train of thought. I tradition is welcome in its own. Right. So there's that.

Well, thank you as well. Okay. So. 

[01:03:34] Andy Mai: One thing I want to add is like, you're slowly, right? So this is off like five of those 40 ended up becoming teachers of that phone. And then now that's, you know, 20, 30, 40 people that own, that only have a hundred students each, um, and you're right. And then obviously I didn't take that down.

Um, but you're totally right. Thank you for bringing up. 

[01:03:59] Joseph: Happy to do my part. All right. So I'm actually going to ask you one more question and then I'll, uh, and I'll let you go, cause I know you've got a busy day headache. So one thing that, and this is the coming back to some of the mindsets that we talked the beginning, and this is something that I personally have an issue with, which is I've, I've got somewhat of a routine worked out and there was a period of time where I was able to stick to that routine.

And then specifically a friend had a wedding like last weekend and you know, it's a wedding, there's drinks, there's partying. And so like, and I'm 30. Well, I'm 31, but identify as 32. And you know, I wasn't in the best shape the day after, or the day after that. And it's been now a week and I'm still not back on schedule.

What I'm wondering about is have you encountered situations where, um, your routine was just like broken and. How you were able to get back on routine and if possible, how you were able to maybe do it in a reasonable amount of time. 

[01:05:00] Andy Mai: Most definitely like during this up and down the process on the, on the last line that you eat at the last two, three years and bang times without being just added a been grinding, um, and not being so consistent, waking up like 6:00 AM, every city with diet, dilemma, morning routines, every single back, and the limited breaks.

All of a sudden, I go from going to a hundred percent of the retains at 80%, 70%, and now there's no routine apple. And I get into this raw, it's like a 2, 3, 4 month where I'm trying to just figure out how to just get back on track. I'm just motivated, not excited. I don't know why this is lucky one, maybe what?

And I'll look at those same cycle or maybe I've broken cycles many, many times know the solution to be. So the one thing that comes to my mind is if I get a lot of sleep, if I just give up for two days, two days, all that motivation and serotonin, and that comes back when like let's, let's get back into real estate.

Option two is I built my checklist in a way where it's not hard to stop. Like the waking up is probably the hardest thing, but then I meditate for five minutes and the meditation helps me get out of. And the exercise helps me make my breakfast. it don't that I'm excited to go ahead and key additions.

And I love my morning routine where I open up this browser bookmarks folder and opens up 25 links on like Trello, slack, um, Instagram, WhatsApp, um, like non crypto trading, um, different things. And then I just have just go through it and I just block them out and it's pretty satisfying in the end. There's even like a, uh, before I get to my head thing, there's like a shopping list of things that I'm looking for.

Good deals on. So there's like a cool process. So I really one been through enough downs to know that, okay, it's normal to get, to get off routine and sleep should really usually do the trick to give me that motivation again, and then recovered to get me back on track to building a routine that I sort of enjoy.

And it H and I really look at each bottle bank where things get tough and see, okay, how can I make it harder to remember? One thing that was really hard was go straight to lunch after lunch. So I put in claim something for some reason off eating lunch. And if I cleaned something I'm not, , let's go and get some work done was after eight.

For some reason, I feel like I should have watched some funny video of before getting back to work. But since I'm no longer watching content and it was a suite, and on top of that, I was like, okay, what if I get, how do I know what to claim? So I have like that sort of revolving set of checklists where things I haven't done in a while.

Okay. It says of the couch. Alright, couch, bring it back to the top. So I wouldn't see that for another 30 days. So systemize that, and lastly, three number three would be. Really be self-aware of old, the bottle banks, all the things that make it difficult for you to be on a routine and come up with solutions against them, whether it's eating in silence, whether it's creating a checklist, whether it's setting an alarm and snoozing until you actually follow through on that alarm or setting a rule where you can't eat dinner until you end the day.

Um, so that'll be number three.

[01:08:48] Joseph: Dinner is an interesting one for me, just because dinner to me is not the end of my day, especially because on the Western hemisphere, most of my teammates and the company, they're all starting their day, by the time I'm done dinner. So oftentimes I will, you know, after dinner I'm getting on, that's actually one of the rare times that I could talk to my, my teammates, um, in person.

And so that, that is, I mean, again, we all, you know, real, we all have different paths to walk. It's a particular challenge for me, but I do like the psychology of dinner represents the end of the day. And then everything that happens after that is, you know, it's time to wind down and make your way to bed.

So there's something left for me to think about for sure. But, uh, nonetheless, I, I just, I really appreciate the way you systemize these because it might not always be the direct cure for a problem, but I think what happens is the cure just kind of comes up as a natural byproduct of doing something that we know is good for us anyways.

So if my if, if sleep happens to improve my motivation, it might not even be this. Like, it might be some other thing that I'm doing to make sure that I'm falling asleep earlier on in the day or whatever it is. So there's a, there's always underlying psychology to all of it. So that's just my, my, my last takeaway before I let you run outta here. 

[01:10:08] Andy Mai: The last thing I wanted to add was during this whole mindset yet, I'll just not satisfy with not being happy everyday.

I was like, I was like, there must be a way where I can be productive, satisfied, and happy every single day. Like all the top entrepreneurs stand firm system and happy every day, like I've tried forcing out and gratitude and forcing out perspective when I'm not motivated. Um, I've tried so many things and I was like, not happy.

And like, I've had to learn things like embracing the lack of motivation, embracing that feeling of you don't want to get out of bed. But I know that through completing tasks, I gave motivation. I gave satisfaction. By the end of the day, I'm always happy. And the best metaphor to crew up to is a workout.

How many people hate going to the gym? How many people know that? The moment they go to the gym, actually they'll most likely complete this. And how many people know that you probably don't like onto the gym, but you always feel amazing afterwards. Like every single day, I don't remember a session where afterwards I did not feel happy.

I don't remember a session where I rocked up and I left after 10 minutes, but I rocked off. I'm lucky on myself daughter. That's the exact same thing with my morning, my whole day routine there's days where I don't want to do it, but when I get started on it, most likely I'm going to finish it. Optimize things to avoid the traps that I'm still getting into some suit tweaking things, but always feel amazing afterwards.

And as a resolve, able to be productive every day and feel happy every day. And I'm getting close to it. I'm, I'm getting close. I'm, I'm figuring it out. I'm much closer than I was two, three months ago. And it's an accumulation of every single thing I've tested to try to be more happy. 

[01:12:10] Joseph: I've had an interesting day today.

So having this conversation with you with the timing of it was, uh, uh, was almost, uh, predestined if I'm being honest. Um, so you've, you've even done me a favor, just being able to share some of this with me today. So with that one more, thank you for the road. Thank you. And then. If you, I mean, we've been sharing a lot of wisdom.

Um, usually the closing question is if you have like a quote or printing wisdom, you're welcome to share it. Um, but I'd say you've more than filled that bucket. So I leave it to you. And then, um, for the audience in case they need to be reminded of what we were looking at earlier, or to check our YouTube out just once again, uh, let the audience know where they should go find you.

And, uh, as, as somebody who your, some of your lessons, even from eight months ago have still stuck in my mind. And I just want my audience to understand, um, the significance of it. And I've really encouraged them to check out what it is that you do on your YouTube.

[01:13:12] Andy Mai: Um, yeah, if he does want to check my content out, andy mai , check us studying.com, um, really appreciate you letting me plug that. Finally, the last thing I want to leave with is anything is possible. Literally, anything, if you want to be more happy, that's possible. If you want to be happy every day, that's possible.

And I'm not even talking about having some pool call the, able to buy a roll at site. I know that's possible, but the little things like if you want to be happy every day, if you want to be confident with you, wanna, um, deal, if you wanna get rid of anything is possible. Um, and I think, uh, I still to this truck was like, I used, I literally thought maybe it's not possible to be happy all the time.

But I'm striving for that to happen. And I think that's possible. I haven't reached that yet. Um, but I'm not going to give up and that's sort of what I wanna leave with. 

[01:14:21] Joseph: All right, well, to my audience, as always, it is an honor and a privilege to be able to link this information shared with all of you. So you all know what to do at this point to my podcasts, have to beautify, come share your thoughts and go check out Andy's content, highly recommended act with that take care. And we will check in soon. 

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