Ashlie Tess is an online entrepreneur helping others create opportunities to be able to work from home and make money online. She enjoys helping others learn to create more income. You can check out these opportunities on her YouTube Channel.
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[00:00:00] Ashlie Tess: For instance, like designing websites or kind of like coding websites. And the term might sound a little bit scary and people might think, oh, I don't have that, you know, degree to be able to do that. Like if there's different types of careers online, usually there's different avenues or different cheaper courses you could take to learn those skills to be able to do it. If there is something that someone's interested in doing online and it might seem scary, just do a little bit more research and usually there's different avenues you could take to be able to do it.
[00:00:36] Joseph: You're listening to Ecomonics, a Debutify podcast. Your resource for one of the kind of insights into the world of e-commerce and business in the modern age. This is Joseph. I'll be presenting a wealth of industry knowledge from interviews with successful business people and our own state-of-the-art research. Your time is valuable so let's go.
The way I framed much of today's episode involves speaking on behalf of a longtime friend, who's found it exceedingly difficult to secure sustainable work. What I was looking for with my conversation with Ashley Tess, entrepreneur and remote educator, was clarity on just what options are available in a world that's becoming both more free and more restricted.
So whether you're looking for yourself or want to help someone you know find a new option for work, there's a lot more out there than you might've guessed.
Ashley Tess. It is good to have you here in Ecomonics. How are you doing today? How are you feeling?
[00:01:31] Ashlie Tess: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
[00:01:34] Joseph: Really happy to have you here today.
There's a lot of stuff that I've learned about you in my own personal, uh, degree, which I'm excited to get to. I, I'm also excited to learn that I believe this is the first time that you've done a podcast interview. Am I right?
[00:01:48] Ashlie Tess: Yes, this is my first one. So pretty excited.
[00:01:52] Joseph: Awesome. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's great to, uh, to introduce you to the podcasting spaces.
It's, it's a fun thing for people to do. You know, you just, you, you shoot the breeze for an hour, uh, learn from one another and add to the nexus of information, which I've had the distinct honor of collecting for the last year, almost, almost a year, getting, getting pretty close. Opening question, um, as you, if I say, if asterisk, you get more into the interview space, you'll be asked this a lot, but this'll be the first, uh, tell us what you do and tell us what you're up to these days.
[00:02:21] Ashlie Tess: Uh, so right now I'm currently working from home. That is my all about my YouTube channel. Um, I also teach English online. So I started my career, I guess, as being a classroom elementary teacher. And I just wasn't happy in that career space. I was looking for more flexibility, uh, not being confined to, you know, traveling during winter breaks.
So I taught in the classroom for five years and I started looking into more online type things where I could still work and travel. Uh, so I did online teaching or I taught fourth grade for two years virtually. And then right now I'm teaching English online. There's a lot more flexibility with like time commitment.
So that's really nice. So I have more time to do more online things besides teaching. So it's been really nice with doing online work or, you know, business type things, YouTube stuff. So that is how I ended up doing, uh, finding my path into working online was I was trying to get out of my teaching position type in the classroom.
[00:03:42] Joseph: Okay. So here's a question I wasn't really, I mean I didn't have this on the agenda or anything, but other than like, I've instructed people on podcasting once in a while. So I've done a couple of lectures, but I'm by no means like a teacher, but when, when, when instructing say like, you know, a great, great for, from a my only perspective as being great for, and you know, my first 10 years are kind of a blur.
So when, when instructing them were there really significant key differences between say like a grade four grade five grade three grade four, or but, I mean, there was a lot in common I imagine, but I, um, I guess do, are things more starkly contrasted when you're taking the perspective of the educator?
[00:04:23] Ashlie Tess: Are we asking like the difference in what they would know between like a third, fourth and fifth grader and like as a teacher, how you would teach each grade level?
Is that what we're asking?
[00:04:34] Joseph: Yeah, that's a good point about the, about the knowledge base. I guess I would modify that around the lines of like what method of teaching maybe works with them better. Like if it starts to be more at a certain point, it becomes more physical, more hands-on maybe more experimentation or like, even if tests changed, uh, maybe at some point multiple choices now, an actual viable path, rather than them just like picking at random, which let's face it.
Nobody ever stops doing that.
[00:05:02] Ashlie Tess: Um, I guess I would say, obviously the younger they are, you need more like support and visuals to help them. Obviously more hands-on is really helpful. Even the older kids, even adults we need, hands-on learning. Um, but I guess, uh, as kids get older, they're expected to do more.
So there's expected more of an output. That's why, as we get older, you know, we're expected to write longer essays, add more details, things like that. So I guess the output would be more expected as you get older, but you kind of still teach the same way, but the content would be more rigorous versus like a younger student right now.
They're I would say there's a bigger difference. I teach children in China right now, so versus American students. So I would say there's a bigger contrast. And seeing the ability level between like an American student versus a Chinese student. So that's kind of interesting too.
[00:06:05] Joseph: I can't tell you what to ask.
Like what, yeah. Like what, what you noticed, um, differently about, about your Chinese students versus US students.
[00:06:13] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, I mean, so they start learning at a very, very young age. My youngest students are three years old. It's just crazy. And they already can speak full sentences. At three years old, I have one class of two, four year olds that are reading at a first grade level and can have full conversations using large vocabulary.
And then you're thinking about, you know, kids here in America and you're like, wow, they could barely put a sentence together. So it's just, it's just so crazy seeing the comparison.
[00:06:50] Joseph: That, that actually, uh, that's kind of mind blowing. Like, I, I vaguely, I, I mean, I don't remember every day of what it was like to be a youngster, but I do remember, you know, my kindergarten teacher, she would come to our homes to introduce yourself first, just so that we were more comfortable with her when we get to school.
And so I was starting at, uh, at the age of three, I was, I was a little bit young for my, for my group. So like, I would turn for everybody else's already like halfway between for not a big deal or anything. But I mean, my, my memory of that was just like, oh, like Sonic too. And that's pretty much all I had going into going into school.
So it's fascinating to, uh, to hear just how, not only like how quickly a culture will start, but knowing that it's even possible and doable, you know, just change. What, what, um, what a culture is expecting or what no, who knows what they are, what their kids are capable of.
[00:07:39] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, and they're using large, like science vocabulary, academic vocabulary, not just.
You know, simple, conversational language, like they're using pretty high, high words. So it's kind of interesting and it makes us here look like, wow, we can get to do a more.
[00:07:59] Joseph: Well, I, I assure you I'm here. I'm here in Canada and I, and I don't think we've, uh, I don't think we're doing like tremendously bad or anything like that. Uh, yeah. I mean, you know, I, I learned a little bit watching the red green show opening up. Other than that, I don't think we've had any major advantages over the states, but that's, that's, that's fascinating. I really didn't know that. I'm glad I asked.
Um, okay, so let's at getting back to your, so your backstory so I can tell, cause I do check out people's Instagram and even just from what the story that you're telling me is that travel is a, is a significant, um, a part of.
You know, what, uh, what appeals to you. You obviously like to do it quite a bit. And so that that's a major component in being able to have the flexibility that you're looking after. So what I want to hear about is, you know, as you're transitioning to the point where now, you know, you're able to convey this information on your YouTube channel, was there a difference between the kind of, um, remote working you were doing?
That was more and, um, forgive me, this is kind of like a convoluted question, but so the remote work that was more rooted in the establishment or more of like an extension of the institutions that you were working with versus say something that starts digitally and is basically that's where it's, uh, the, the foundation is for.
Does that, does that make sense?
[00:09:15] Ashlie Tess: I think so. I mean, I think a lot of people transition using their current jobs and transitioning into working online. Um, I guess it was somewhat similar because my first online job was with a online charter school. So it was still working with an American kids. I live in Las Vegas.
So I teach, I taught for students here in Nevada. So there were, it was an online charter school for Nevada. So that's how I transitioned to working online. So I worked for them for two years and then I moved into teaching English online. So that's how I know a lot of people start. So if they ask their employer, is it possible to work from home?
I know I've, I've heard, um, a lot of people, they kind of like talk to their bosses and they say, oh, I might leave if it's not possible to work from home. And like, they'll be like, oh, let's do a trial period. So I know that works for a lot of people trying to transition, but I know some people, they might not be able to work from home with their current job.
So there are resources where you can find and try to see what skills that you have, uh, to look for those online jobs.
[00:10:37] Joseph: Yeah, I, yeah. Cause I remember one of my friends, I bring up on the show once in awhile, you know, he, he was in IT and no once, uh, once the pandemic hit and everything was going into lockdown, what it had done is it had accelerated the company's willingness to allow them to work remotely.
The functionality was always there. They just didn't have the leverage for it. Whereas now they could, it was much easier to leverage under threat of death. So it was much easier for them to say, yeah, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna work from home and we're going to stay safe. But I would also say that I don't think there was as much really lost because there was, I mean, you get some interaction for them, but for the most part, most of what they are, most of what they do was on the computer anyways.
So comparing that to your experience. I imagine that quite a bit is lost in the lack of the, the in-person school space versus a what's done online. So rather than ask you the obvious question, I think a much more interesting question is, you know, what do you do to make up?
[00:11:37] Ashlie Tess: Uh, I mean, teaching online versus teaching in person is definitely a big transition.
Um, I know, especially teachers this year, they had to adapt really quickly and not with, you know, not much support with that, but, um, I've been teaching online for three to three years prior to the pandemic. So I felt more comfortable obviously when there was a bigger need for it. But I know, um, there wasn't much time to prepare, but, uh, a lot of it's just practice and a lot of it is like seeing what resources are available online to help support anyone in that transition.
Um, You know, watching other people was really helpful going onto YouTube, looking for support. There's always things to help. I hope I answered that right.
[00:12:33] Joseph: So it it's, it's it's to say that there's there there's work to be done, but I think what you're, what you're saying as well is it's not like everybody had to start from scratch right away.
Um, you didn't have to, so there is some degree of like, okay, some people were ahead of the game. So here's the people that we can take some of the knowledge from and, and adapt and, uh, rather quickly at that. So I thought the question that I had chamber it's, it's kind of funny to ask, just because you, you, you had answered earlier on unintentionally, but one of the things about teaching online is, you know, you're mainly teaching ESL students.
Um, and I guess that's one thing I always wondered is about, you know, what degree of English that they had already known going in. But then you're saying that, you know, kids in China, they're, they're three years old and they're already, uh, uh, you know, running their own D and D campaign. So it was pretty fascinating to hear about that.
But, um, have, have you experienced, say. Uh, um, uh, a classroom where, you know, their English, um, wasn't, uh, wasn't all that great. And, but conversely you're, you don't speak their language particularly well. So, um, have you encountered instances where there was a lot of friction in how you can overcome that?
[00:13:40] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, I mean, most of the time when I tell people I teach English, the first question they ask me, especially if I tell them I'm teaching English to kids in China, they'll ask me, oh, so you speak Chinese. And I'm like, no, I don't. And they're like, how in the world are you teaching English to these students that you know, that you probably don't know much English, but that's, I guess that's kind of a misconception, but as, yeah, as I was mentioning, they start really young.
Um, there are students that they don't have a higher level of language in, uh, in my teaching with them. So I use a lot of, um, you know, videos or pictures to support. Um, a lot of the times they have their parents with them, but no English. So they ask their parents a lot. Or I have two boys that like to use Siri and Alexa, not Alexa, I guess Siri, but like, oh, Siri, what's the mill translate something they have, if they're wondering a word or something, but, um, but most of the time they already know a good, good deal of language.
And the classes that I teach are grouped by level. So they're pretty leveled pretty correctly, based off the curriculum.
[00:14:57] Joseph: I really like one of the things that I'm wondering about in regards to this, and then we'll, we'll make our way into the, um, into the broad spectrum of work at home, uh, content that you talk about, um, which is really the meat of the matter for the day.
Uh, one of the things I am wondering about is more of like the, the, the granular, like managing classes, because I don't really know what the experience is. Like I wasn't either a student, certainly not a teacher, uh, in any capacity when I've never really done like online classrooms at all. I did, I did take one online course in college, and I'll tell you a brief story cause this is just really funny where there, you usually, when somebody gets a message in their inbox, there would be like a bracket with a little number and bracket indicating how many messages are received from it, not my interface. So I would check the inbox when someone says, no messages really? Oh, it's been almost like half a semester.
And then like one month to go before, you know, I'm supposed to graduate, but you know what mean. Maybe their heart messages and sure enough, there's like a whole array of messages. Like either, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're fine. Like your final thesis, um, we'll be doing next month. Your final thesis we'll be doing a week.
Your final thesis is due tomorrow. So I'm like, ah, great. Well, I got a message the teacher, but we didn't do like any in, in lectures, we didn't do anything to any degree that resembles a classroom setting. It was all just like, you know, emailing one another. And I seemingly failed at that too. So I have like no experience with this.
Um, but I I'd love to hear about like what, what, what's it like to, to start up a class for the day and lesson plans? Do you use presentations or slides involved in, you know, get how kids are engaged, how often you have to mute people.
[00:16:33] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, so, you know, as we're talking about working from home, teaching English is probably like one of the easiest things.
If you are a fluent English speaker to start working from home, and if you can have a conversation, you can probably start doing this. But, um, there are so many different companies and platforms and websites where you can get started with teaching English. Uh, so there's ones like the one that I'm working for is a company that provides curriculum.
They do the scheduling for me. So I just have a list of my classes. They give me my curriculum for the day. Um, my curriculum is PowerPoints and they are already like uploaded in their own platform. So it's kind of like a zoom platform, but they have their own for the company. But if you don't want to work for a company, you really can use different websites promote teaching English, where you can make a profile, you can put your rates that you would want to be paid your schedule. So there's different options that you can do if you want it to teach English versus using a company where they give you your pay, they give you your schedule. They give you your students.
So there's kind of like pros and cons of each. But if you wanted to do on your own, you could put your, you can make your own schedule. You can make, you know, the time, uh, I should say your salary that you're looking to get paid for. Like for my company. I'm kind of limited to the hours I could teach. So since I'm in the Pacific time zone in Las Vegas, the time zone in China, where I teach, I teach from like three in the morning to six in the morning.
So it's pretty, pretty crazy. Again, I was, some people would not do that, but, uh, if you wanted to do like different websites, you can, you know, obviously choose your own hours, but be mindful of where the students that you're looking to teach, where they live. So you might not get as many bookings. So that's something to be, be aware of.
[00:18:40] Joseph: I know travel hasn't exactly been a big thing for too many people in the last year, but, um, did it achieve what you were hoping for, which is to have more flexibility in being able to travel as you?
[00:18:53] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, I mean, um, I know some company is like, I have a friend, she also teaches from home, but I know her company.
Um, it's kind of strict with her. VPN, or I don't know the term, but they can see where she's located. So, uh, her company doesn't let her travel outside of the state. So she's limited to that. So my company really just lets you teach wherever in the world. They don't care where you are. So it is really flexible, which is nice.
It's just making sure the time zones and stuff you're aware of, which is can be complicated sometimes.
[00:19:34] Joseph: Uh, so what we've done is we've we talked about online teaching, which is one of the options that you. Uh, that you talk about on your YouTube channel, but it's just not the only one. And I think one of the limiting factors about teaching has got it's highly scheduled based, you know, you gotta, you have to be there for, for the students.
So, um, I, the, the overall mission of today's episode for my audience and including a, you know, a dear friend of mine who I wanted to ask some questions specifically for is, you know, these options that we have to supplement our income. A lot of people, um, everybody can work from home. Not everybody gets the, the ability to do that, but I would imagine even if somebody has say working construction, working in grocery, hopefully there's options that are easy to get into that with any luck they can.
So they transition their way towards. There, I'm going to read off a brief list. We're not going to define them right away, because there's a preliminary question that I want to ask first. But some of the avenues that you talk about on your YouTube channel, so that, you know, pay to read, drop servicing, um, writing copywriting transcription, which I suppose as a form of writing, uh, the ESL company is which we kind of got into already.
There's even one I saw copying and pasting ads. Um, so, um, and I imagine I missed a few, so there's, there's quite a few options over there, but before we get into all of that, uh, how are you vetting these and how are you, I guess, ensuring that what, you know, what you're talking about is, you know, is, is legit.
And I suppose I haven't checked all the audio videos, but my guess is maybe you've also shown some content where by the way, guys, just so you know, this is not actually legit.
[00:21:14] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, um, obviously there are so many ways you can teach online. I think the ones that I make more videos about. Try to get into myself to see, um, you know, if it's worthwhile and if it's something I could do to make money as well.
Um, and something I could try, I think with just like the whole journey where he online, it can be very overwhelming. There's so many things when people are telling you to do try this, try that. And yeah. Like your question, like where do you start? So I guess trying to see what interests you first to see.
Oh, okay. I'm a decent writer. Let me try, you know, doing, you know, writing for blogs or something like that, or I can type really fast. I can be a transcriptionist. So trying to see what skills that you're already good at to try to use that avenue, to find jobs, to work online. Um, that's I guess how I would, how I started.
Uh, looking for ways to do more work from working online is seeing what skills I can do.
[00:22:20] Joseph: So, uh, aside from teaching, are any, are you actively doing any of them even to, even to this day?
[00:22:26] Ashlie Tess: Uh, besides teaching? Um, I guess I w there's a little bit more, like, I also talk about freelancing on my YouTube channel and with freelancing, you really could do so many different things.
Say like he wants to be a graphic designer, but you're not even sure where to start. And you don't, if you don't have background knowledge or you don't have a degree and you really don't have to not have days, like there's so many websites and templates you can use and especially YouTube to help support you, learning how to do certain things.
So I have done a little bit of like freelancing stuff. You know, I get emails sometimes. Oh, like, like you mentioned, I made a video about drop servicing. Um, basically you're kind of outsourcing a service and you get the money in the middle with someone, uh, someone doing the work, you charge more and the person doing the service for you would be less.
So you make that income in the middle. But I got an email recently being like, oh, can you help me start a drop servicing business? Um, so I think kind of more consulting and freelancing would be something that I'm gearing into, I guess, a little bit right now.
[00:23:43] Joseph: Right. Yeah. Like, um, being knowledgeable on the subject, helping guide people into what would be a good, a good fit for them.
Um, all right. So there's a couple of these that I wanted to run through in, in specific. And again, before I do that, I would also, I'm also curious is like over, over time, have you spotted any red flags? Um, cause I will say some of these offers or some of these even in college, it can sound too good to be true.
Like for instance, um, even being paid to just, you know, read content. I see that right away. And I think no way. No. Yeah.
[00:24:17] Ashlie Tess: I know. It seems like that's just too crazy, but no, uh, when I found this, this topic about where people. I guess the topic sounds misleading, but basically with that, there are companies out there that are looking to get reviews on books and they will pay you to actually like read books or read different literature to do this and write a review.
And some companies they'll pay like $50 for a review, you know, depending on the length of the text or how much experience. So the more you, the more experience you have, some companies are looking for. Some are looking for more, I guess like school-based knowledge. So if you have degrees, they'll pay you a little bit more, but yeah, there are companies out there to review different texts and books and they'll pay you.
So basically that's the what, uh, what would it would be to get paid, to read.
[00:25:13] Joseph: Okay. That that checks out. Yeah. Um, and then, so a couple of other ones too, that I, that I think are interesting. So, um, transcribing now, I, I, uh, for me, I think transcribing and I think of like, if I turned CC on, on a YouTube video, which I always assumed were automatic judging by some of the hilarious misunderstand it's like they, they hired Starbucks baristas to they do the transcribing.
So I don't think that's exactly what it is, but what's, what's in the transcribing.
[00:25:40] Ashlie Tess: Um, so that is something that I would say if you're brand new and you don't have much skills, you can type, you can have basic conventional English skills. That would be something that I would suggest for people trying to get started in the work from home areas.
That if you can type, you understand English, start with transcription, which is basically there are companies out there that have audio files, like basically, for example, this podcast, you might want it in a text format. So someone would listen and type out everything we're saying, and maybe send it to you in a PDF or word document.
And they would be paid for the length of the audio. So let's say this, this podcast was like an hour long, you know, people are paid for that hour amount. So that's also misleading. So there's companies will say, oh, we'll pay you $20 an hour, which is not an actual hour. It's an audio hour. So some people might tie quicker than others.
So as a beginner, I know it's harder to, you know, you're learning how to type it, what formats people want. So maybe an audio hour might take you two to three hours to transcribe. So think about. That's $20. You're getting paid, but you're might do three hours of work for it. So I know that can deter people being like, well, that's not much money per hour, but it's a really simple concept where people there's not really any barriers to get started with.
And as you get better with it type quicker, you know, the formats people are, people are making full-time incomes with that.
[00:27:22] Joseph: Okay. So then, then there was another one. Well, I mean, this one is like just generalized, uh, writing and copywriting. So there's obviously, there's lots of different places that people can write for, um, you know, writing reviews for books.
Um, again, transcribing technically writing, but I guess it doesn't fall into the realm of creative input. Cause they're just. I mean, it's not like somebody has like their personal take on what's said, is it, you know, you write what you'd write? Read said my, my, my friend. So with, um, w with writing to, for me, I, you know, I've been writing my whole life, but mostly just for my own sake and, and I'm, and I'm lucky to be able to use some of our, my writing skill, um, with the work that I do here with the company.
But if I'm being honest, it was kind of a fluke. I didn't think there was going to be any writing involved. It just so happened that there was so with getting into, to writing from a more creative bend, um, I know affiliate marketing is an element to this. I wanted, I wanted to save that afterwards because we're going to do like a whole chunk on affiliate marketing.
Um, but aside from that, are there other entry ways that people can, uh, start, uh, copywriting or start doing a writing with a little bit more, I guess, creative input.
[00:28:31] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, I mean, I know some people, if they are writers, they prefer to write on a certain topic or genre, but, uh, especially nowadays with people having websites or people, having blogs, people are looking for content to be pushed out there.
So people are looking for writers to be written on like a blog topic. Maybe they're writing about health or business or cars, whatever their topic is of their blog or their website with copywriting. You're basically doing the same thing, but like writing with more SEO involves in your writing and more like as a website, if you're selling something or trying to.
Persuade people to buy different things. So copywriting could also be like writing descriptions on your Amazon products or writing descriptions of products that you saw on your e-commerce websites. So a lot of people are looking for different types of writers that would fit their needs. So maybe you want your, you really enjoy a certain topic and you feel passionate about it.
It's obviously going to come easier to write about. So there are different websites that are looking for specific topics of writers. So that would be a good avenue. If you're passionate about something to look for a specific topic, there is more demand for copywriting more and more because, you know, there's so many e-commerce websites, even with social media, people are looking for people to write their social media.
Because they're not sure what to put in it. So even if you're really good at social media, you could also get into that and sell your services to, you know, right. People, Instagram posts or Facebook ads. So there's different avenues you could do too.
[00:30:18] Joseph: What would be an example of a, of a company where I could, uh, where I could look for a, where to start on this?
Uh, is it like one company that is, um, assigning work to different websites? Or is it like a website by website basis?
[00:30:31] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, that's the hardest part. I think like, there's different, there's so many like needs and jobs out there, but I wouldn't say there's not really exactly like companies, but there's more like more freelancing.
You could find them. So, uh, different websites like upwork.com or, you know, or even I have three websites that ha is like a remote. Uh, remote website base. And they also just post like remote jobs, like social media marketing, or like there's like remote jobs, co and remote coffee, like there's different remote websites that just post jobs that they're looking for that would have like copywriting jobs or, you know, transcribing social media jobs.
So I guess to find more of those, it'd be to look on job board websites, or even right now is really popular, is using LinkedIn to reach out to different companies and people and promote your services that way, which is really helpful.
[00:31:35] Joseph: And also, um, just to remind my audience as always, um, you know, what we, what we get done in an hour is nothing compared to what somebody can get done when they have a whole day.
So we're gonna make sure that our audience is directed to your content on YouTube as well, where they'll be able to sink their teeth into these little bit more for now. I'm just more just kind of rifling off a lot of these, just so that our audience has an understanding of like, you know, what there is out there.
So the last one that I had on my list, and then I'll ask you if there's any other ones that stick out in your mind, you want to let us know about is, um, specifically like copying and pasting ads or ad. I just like, I, I, my guess is like, it's more like ad transcribing or ad, uh, transferring. So, uh, the idea of copying and pasting as I, I'm not sure if that's exactly what it is in the same way that pay to read is more like book reviews.
So what's was the situation there?
[00:32:20] Ashlie Tess: I guess, that, that is kind of like, it's a little bit more with like affiliate marketing. Like basically you can get paid if you have a blog or a website, and if you scroll down usually to the bottom, or as you're reading, there's different ads to click on and you can put them in your, your website, your blog, and you get paid if people click on it.
So that would kind of be something similar way. You could promote these different products or, uh, ads in your, your website, your plugs, and you would get paid for people clicking on them. So if you do have like an online presence, it would be something you can create more income. If you wanted to put these ads in your websites or your blogs, or even you can kind of make, I guess, promote it in your social media.
Kind of your area that you're talking about. So I guess that's kind of coffee pie copy pasting a little bit.
[00:33:21] Joseph: Well, I mean, I think the, the thing with that though, is that it's, I'm not saying it's prohibitive, but because somebody has to have a prior web presence, a lot of, I think it's efficacy is based on what is already pre-established. So, uh, it's, it's, it's not as entry-level, but it is still an important component in helping people move their website, you know, up the ranks and increase traffic. So, and of course increased revenue.
So this next one, that, uh, is the one that I said I was asked specifically for a friend of mine and I ain't call him out by name once I described why, uh, y'all will understand, but, uh, life has dropped, kicked him a couple of times.
He has a couple of issues that make it difficult, a to get out of his chair and B to be able to have a consistent work schedule, um, because he does get hit by illnesses once in a while, and they can be pretty debilitating. So there, he, there are a lot of things that are not going in his favor and, and he, I'm sure he's not alone.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who are in the same situation who here's the problem is that everybody wants, I think this is my personal philosophy, but I think everybody wants to work, which is, we all want to decide what kind of work we want to do when, you know, we want to, we would prefer to do the work that, you know, makes us, uh, that makes us happy that we have a passion for, cause we just have more inherent energy to be motivated to do that.
Um, but one of the issues is actually if, you know, if somebody qualifies they're on disability, um, then, then the fed will actually, um, dock their pay. So there's this threshold that people have to cry. In order for it to be worth it for them to do the labor, because if they earn a hundred, the $200, they get deducted $100, which means that they've actually just earned a hundred dollars.
Right. So it's, it's, it's, I, I, I'm getting a little political because, uh, the, you know, that's me. Uh, so I don't want to like, get too far into that, but I bring it up because it actually is a significant factor in people's ability to, um, uh, to find consistent work. So there's an issue there. Um, but what I would like to know for the sake of my friend and I think anybody who knows somebody like this is what are, what are the ideal options transcribing is already in them.
But I just wanted to hear anything else is a, I can't commit to a schedule and B I, I may not be able to commit to a deadline too. It's kind of a tall order, but even if there's one answer to the question, I think that's gonna help a lot of people.
[00:35:51] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, uh, for something like that, I would suggest like looking at the skills that you already have and the areas that you would feel comfortable at working in.
So whether it be reading, whether it be typing, um, if you feel comfortable with English, really, there's a lot of opportunity because, uh, even if you, if you know a second language and you can do translation, if say you don't feel like typing, but you could still read you, there are opportunities to even like become a voice over artists.
So, or even to read audio books, there are options where you can get paid to do that as well. So if you can, you know, have a concept of English, there's different avenues you could take. So maybe like for deadlines and stuff, reading an audio book. They give you a deadline, but it would give you like, it should give you a decent amount of time to do.
Uh, so that would, that would be a suggestion. If you're looking to get started to do that, I know some people don't like typing and that quick, that could be an option. If you enjoy reading, like, especially if there's a genre you enjoy reading about, you can be a voiceover artist to read different audio books and get paid to do that.
Or maybe you enjoy, you do enjoy typing. So you could do typing for different companies or blogs, or some people are big with social media. So too, you can become a social media manager and managed and social media. I know I've also been into looking into doing different, I guess, creative work. So if you enjoy like designing things or you enjoy the guests being creative and want to help companies and stuff, you can, you know, design things and become a free freelancer.
So there's different websites like, uh, fiverr.com or upwork.com. And you can promote your services with designing different things. You can take a look at the website itself and see what services they offer. So I would suggest kind of looking at those websites and see what services people are doing and seeing if that would be something you'd be interested in looking at to do those might have deadlines though, because you're doing a service space for someone, but, um, it's an option, but they usually give them a pretty, a decent amount of time.
Um, but also if you don't want to do service like services or. Uh, doing, you know, deadlines, you can try to go the business route and start selling things on like Etsy or having your own social media and selling things that way. Or even, uh, with Etsy, you can start doing print on demand. So, uh, I've dabbled into that a little bit, but you know, some things are easier than others, but with print on demand, you really don't have to, there's no products that you have to, uh, buy upfront.
So you, you would design a product. The company would actually have the product itself, the website, and they ship it to the, to your customer. So that's kind of a low barrier entry type business model. If, if people are looking to do business, but they don't have a lot of money upfront, would, you know, it could do print on demand.
Drop shipping is a little bit similar in the past. I have a twin sister, my, my sister and I. We started an online clothing store in the past. So we've, we've tried e-commerce um, this was like in 2015. So I think this was a little bit before there were more support things to do, but we, we had it for maybe six months and we just, we didn't continue.
But, you know, as an online entrepreneur and someone to work from home, you kind of just have to, there's a lot of trial and error and see what works, what works for you and see what things that you enjoy doing.
[00:39:51] Joseph: So what, what happened with the print on demand?
[00:39:53] Ashlie Tess: I think I just got more like when you work from home and you're trying different things, you kind of see like how much time something takes.
So, I mean, it was going, but it was just ended. It just ended up taking too much of my time to really continue with the other stuff I was trying to do. But, um, another, another area that I'm trying, and I know some people might be interested in is to, um, sell eBooks on Amazon Kindle publishing. So that's also something that's becoming kind of popular right now is where you can, you can write your own ebook, but you don't really have to nowadays.
So you can go on these freelancing websites, find a writer to write for you, or you don't even have to have a book. That is writing. Like people are selling coloring books, people are selling journals, so you can design your own journals to sell online. And people, people are making a lot of money that way as well.
[00:40:55] Joseph: There's a quite a few options, you know, I'm, I'll be glad that there's a lot that I can pass on to my friend, although, um, you will, you wouldn't know this, but, um, doing voiceovers is probably not in his wheelhouse because he constantly sounds like, is that a breath? But I think the other, yeah, the ones we'll take for them.
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Okay. So I got you. I got you for about another, another 15 minutes. So we still have got to make some time for, uh, for your experience in affiliate. Before we do that, I have kind of like a speculative question for you. I thought, I think this would be fun to ask cause like, What would you like to see, I guess, evolve in the online working space or in the remote working space?
Or are there any trends that you've identified that are seeds now that might, uh, come to fruition and maybe five or 10 years?
[00:42:02] Ashlie Tess: I mean, things change so quickly. Like, um, I guess I first started trying to work online maybe like four years ago. And I guess the more, the more trendy thing I've been seeing is a lot more with like social media, especially nowadays with like Tiktok and how people are, you know, monetizing their profiles on Tiktok and doing affiliate marketing with Tiktok and different social media outlets or becoming influencers.
So there's so many, there's so much more with social media today than it was in the past where you can make a business all around it. Um, which I think is, which is nice. So if you know, you can. You know, be your own person and still try to make your own career and money from that way too. I mean, I think also this, you know, this time period where more things have gone online, where you can start working your jobs online and being that, being able to have that flexibility.
So hopefully more companies, employers make it more available to people.
[00:43:09] Joseph: Okay. So here's actually one other side to this and I think is important to ask too, is like, uh, the, uh, claiming income or, and registering all of this, just so that, you know, the feds are happy. Um, so generally speaking, our, I wouldn't, people will sign up for, these are usually working for a company, I imagine, uh, for the most part.
So the income has claimed that way. Have you run into any issues in terms of like, you know, the, how the income is, uh, is tracked?
[00:43:33] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, with teaching English, to children in China, the company, my company is based in China. So they have nothing to do with my taxes. So I have to save a portion of my income per month to be able to pay my taxes.
So, and that goes for a lot of these online types of things that aren't companies that you're working for. So if you're making money with Amazon, if you're making money with Etsy, if you're freelancing, you do need to save a certain percentage of your income that you're making to be to, to pay your taxes.
So that could be a little bit tricky, but make sure you read up on it, ask your accountant. Make sure you're knowledgeable.
[00:44:18] Joseph: Yeah. I can back you up on that. I do that too. I had to take out a chunk of my money out of my pay and just leave it, leave it in my bank for a, for taxis. And so, yeah, so I, I told it back you up on that one.
So, uh, last thing I wanted to talk about today was, uh, was affiliate marketing, um, something that we've, you know, we, we touched on here, there, not only on today's episode, but also on the show in general. And, and it's something that I find. Personally exciting. So I'll what I'm going to tell you is like my strategy for and full disclosure.
I haven't implemented it yet because I'm taking my time, but I would like to hear, you know, what's, what's your strategy or strategies have you seen that have been effective? So with what I'm doing is I'm setting up a store and my principal product is being drop-shipped, but there's more products that I'm enthusiastic about.
Then I have the wherewithal to sell because while it is, it doesn't cost me anything to drop ship them. It does cause a great deal to market them, to if I want to do any additional branding, like say concerts or special packaging. So there can be a lot of capital put into what was otherwise a. Um, uh, business model.
So my idea was, well, I've got a blog, so I might as well just write about other products that I'm enthusiastic about so long as they tie into the brand and the overall mission that I'm on and the ideas that I'm trying to convey. So that's been my take on it, but I'd love to hear, what's been your take on affiliate marketing.
I was at work for you and maybe some of the people that have come to.
[00:45:45] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, I think that was like the biggest kind of like question when you looking to get started with affiliate marketing is how you really can get started. And I think a lot of people don't tell you is that it's definitely easier if you already have a presence online, but it's not, it's not something that you can't do if you don't have an online presence, but it definitely makes it a lot easier.
I think also with like affiliate marketing, like you said, running ads can get expensive. And I know a lot of people tell you. That would be one way to, you know, market and promote your things that you're trying to sell. But there are some like freeways that you can do. Like Pinterest is probably one of the best free ways to get started since, you know, apprentice is a free, free, like social media type websites.
You can, you know, talk about your products and like a viral pin on Pinterest can, you know, become viral super quickly where people can click it and actually buy it. Um, so I would say Pinterest is pretty, pretty good to get started with if you don't have a lot of money to, to start running ads, also another good place, if you want to get started, like promoting products would be looking for, uh, different blogs or different websites, or even what's that one website.
Uh, like Reddit and stuff like that, where other people are like commenting about certain topics, where you can, if you have experience with a product, you can, you know, kind of give a testimonial and talk about the pros and cons of why this might help solve a problem. So looking for areas that you're trying to help and support people online, or even, uh, like Facebook groups, social media groups, don't go around spamming your link everywhere.
But if you're trying to really genuinely help people and support people that are looking for help, you can be that source of reason where people might come to you to, you know, look for the products that you're using.
[00:47:55] Joseph: And you, and you said that you had seen people do this on Tiktok as well. Which to me is, you know, you only have like a, a window of like what, 15 seconds, 60 seconds in order to promote a product.
So it's interesting to see how that might be condensed. What could be like a 10 minute read, 15 minute read condensed into less than a minute.
[00:48:14] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, it was Tiktok. I find pretty interesting. Like, like you said, that the videos are super short, so, you know, you would have your, the topic area that you make your, your Tiktok profile about, but what a lot of people are doing with it is they have one link in your profile bio.
And with that link, you can use a website to kind of branch off to your other links that you have, like, uh, like a link tree, or like a sales funnel where you're, you know, directing people to other places. You know, to your offers or to your email list. And that's how people are collecting like emails, uh, by putting like their links in their bios to collect those leads.
And you can promote your products for like affiliate marketing that way as well.
[00:49:03] Joseph: There's a, there's a lot of different avenues for it. Um, I guess one thing so talking about Pinterest, uh, that's important too. I think if somebody were to is setting up like me, for instance, I'm, you know, I've got my own, my own storefront that I don't have much of a, uh, of a presence yet.
I'm imagining that's the kind of like the same thing that I would want to do too, is actually use something like Pinterest to, to market some of the products that I want to work on. So, um, one thing that I'm thinking for my strategy. You know, I, I have the affiliate link on say like a blog post. So if I can add it to Pinterest, what I'm probably going to do there is I'm just going to have the affiliate link on the Pinterest and said they might not make it to the blog, but that's okay.
As long as I still have the link, it's all good.
[00:49:45] Ashlie Tess: I know, I know that's what people, some people are telling people to do that, but I wouldn't really suggest doing it that way. Sometimes Pinterest, won't allow you to put those links and they won't accept your pin. So another way to do that would be having like, man, I'm, I'm drawing a blank on the word, but basically like to have like a website buffer where like a link tree or put it in like a sales funnel.
I personally use Kartra, but there's different sales funnel builders where you can have a web page to collect leads. And then, you know, people put in your email, then you can direct them to another website with your offer, like your product, for instance. So it's kind of like weeding the serious people out.
Instead of having just all these people will click your link and nothing happens. But if you put it in like a sales funnel type thing, you know, oh, I'm giving away this free ebook click on my link, I'll collect your email. And then you direct them to your offers, your ebook to collect those serious people that would actually potentially buy your product.
[00:50:54] Joseph: Okay. One of the things that I'm wondering about with the affiliate is clash of two things. One is a speculation question, but the other one is what, as I'm looking around, you know, my, my, my workspace, which is also where I live, which is also where I sleep. I'm thinking there are things that I could, that I could write about.
It's like the product first and then hopefully there's an affiliate link for it. So when it comes to looking for, uh, the links, itselves, uh, what platforms are you going to to figure out, you know, what I can actually promote and write about? And have you seen say like, uh, an option where I could actually choose what to write about and then set an affiliate link up on my own, maybe independently of the product?
[00:51:33] Ashlie Tess: Yeah. I mean, definitely there's, I mean, nowadays there's so many different affiliate programs. Like you could really type in such and such company affiliate and see if there's affiliate program for, uh, you know, a store that you like or. Maybe you're into fishing or hiking and you can type it into Google, like hiking, affiliate products or fishing affiliate products.
Um, and sometimes you'll get a list of companies that do have products that you can promote, or like, say for me, I'm in, you know, like the work from home type niche. Uh, so the companies and websites that I use, like Fiverr or Upwork or Etsy, those types of websites, sometimes they have affiliate programs too.
So if I talk about them, uh, in my YouTube videos, they could also have affiliate signups too. So I guess kind of. Well, things that you actually already use today if they already have affiliate programs. Um, and if you are interested in certain products or like a certain topic, you can, you know, see what websites you normally go to to see if they have affiliate programs or even into a quick Google search usually helps, uh, finding products.
Um, there are there kind of like marketplace websites to find affiliate products like clickbank.com or there's another one. Digistore.com is another one that has actual products or digital downloads. That's kind of like a marketplace. You could search to see what products you can promote. So there's different avenues you can look into.
[00:53:14] Joseph: Yeah, one thing I would think too is if I'm say a writing, but a specific product, and I try to find a few other things for it on there aren't any, I would say, well, I'm not gonna promote this, then I'm just going to just try, just drop ship this myself. I would, if I'm putting the effort in promoting it and I can't direct it to somebody else, I might as well just, I, you know, give it a shot, give it a shot myself.
[00:53:34] Ashlie Tess: Another way to think. Like, like if you're, are you talking about a specific topic? Like choose.
[00:53:40] Joseph: Well there's well, I'm, I'm, I'm like, you know, I'm in the, uh, uh, in the remote working niche, I've, you know, I've been working remotely for, for over 10 years and, you know, once lockdowns Arab, I'm going to go back to making excuses, not to leave my house, I suppose.
Now they've in my house. So like for me, one product that I actually really like that I'm hesitant about dropshipping because it's rather saturated our wall hooks. Uh, I, I haven't exactly. I don't have an exact number, but there's probably about like 15 or 16 wall hooks throughout different parts of my apartment because they're exceedingly useful.
So I like talking about them and I liked the idea of showing different creative uses for them, but drop shipping something that's available in a home hardware, or even like a staples to me, seems like I'm, I'm, I'm swimming up current. So I would have an easier time talking about that affiliate marketing, but I'm also not sure if it's too low costs of a product that there's really like an affiliate program.
[00:54:34] Ashlie Tess: No, I mean a different way, I guess, to like look at it in a different perspective would be if you have that product, like wall hooks would be like, what store or sell well while hooks, and then you can. Go and see, oh, that store sells while hooks. Do they have an affiliate program? And then kind of like, oh, talk about the wall hooks.
And then here, here are some websites that might sell them and then you could put your affiliate link that way.
[00:55:03] Joseph: Oh yeah. That actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Clears that one up for me. Um, all so, so Ashley, I we're, we're almost at an hour. Um, I, I got to say this has just been fantastic in terms of, uh, in terms of knowledge, there's a lot of really great options here for a lot of people to consider.
Um, cause I was wanting encourage people to get into entrepreneur. Um, but for a lot of people it's not so easy to even have the money to do drop shipping. The, the somewhat agreed upon, um, capital to drop ship is about a thousand dollars, which not everybody has at hand. So there are, there has people need income first and there's there's ways to do that.
And you never know, some people might actually find a career just, uh, just doing this. So, uh, I did want to circle back to just talking about the education sector, because whenever I talk to educators, I'm always curious about what you would like to see in the, um, in the online learning space, the same, same, same question that I asked you earlier about, um, about remote working in general, but, you know, from your perspective, um, is there anything that you feel, what you like you like about teaching remotely?
Is there anything that you feel you'd like to see change about it or any trends you see coming?
[00:56:15] Ashlie Tess: Um, I guess, I guess for me, when I started looking for options to teach online, is that as like, as someone in America, as an American teacher, we're kind of limited to be able to teach in our certain states.
So that actually makes it really difficult. For instance, I live in Nevada, so there's not many online schools in Nevada, so I really can't, I'm kind of limited to what schools I could teach for. So for instance, like if you live in California, there's a lot more options of online schools. So that's how I went to teaching English online because I was limited to, um, what schools I could really teach for.
So, which would be nice if you were an educator, is, would be like, you know, to have like schools or options where anyone could teach with a bachelor's degree or a certification, regardless of like where your location is. And that is kind of something that's not the best with some English companies, like some.
You know, they look at where you were born. So if you were not born in a country, that's not an English speaking country, they, they might not accept you. So that's, that's something that kind of has kind of a damper on that. You know, teaching teaching online in general is that there's kind of like limitations.
Um, so hopefully in the future, you know, things are be more open to people and, uh, not limitations and, you know, people can show their skills rather than, you know, qualifications instead.
[00:57:50] Joseph: Like, I don't know. I guess I can see if there are, say a certain value systems or certain cultural norms that a person should have in order to better convey those conveyance lessons to that culture.
So I can kind of see the logic there. I would say at the, at least up until high school, you know, the curriculums are more or less, you know, teach kids to do math and then read in English. So like that's one barrier. I couldn't make a case to, uh, to, to, to put up, but I would be, I would be curious and finding out more about like, you know, what are, what, what are the reasons for it?
It almost sounds like it's just a matter of, you know, them not really being up to speed with the times. Yeah.
[00:58:37] Ashlie Tess: Uh, no, that's for sure. I feel like that is education. Today's like, it's not really updated from, you know, when we were in school in the past, like people are still learning similar things, but, or, you know, we're not learning, you know, valuable things that will help us in our daily life, like finances or.
You know how to get insurance or, you know, specific daily needs. So that would be nice. You know, if we can put that in our education.
[00:59:05] Joseph: I didn't, I didn't even understand what a bank does until I was 25 years old. Uh, I, I I'm, I it's, to me, it's hilarious looking back on it. But prior to that, I legitimately thought the only reason why people have savings accounts is because they don't want to store all the money under their bed.
Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't know what, I didn't know what income was. And then by the way, and that's just one, yeah. One component of it. It wasn't until I started talking to people in the e-commerce space at a really sort of to get a grasp on the nuances of it, having a savings account and enough there's also inflation.
So if, uh, if the interest, uh, is less than the inflation, then you actually lose money over time. Right. So there's a story that I just said, let's do it a different podcast where, um, they're, they, they, they try something like this in Japan. So everybody in Japan went and bought safes to hide all their money in it because they didn't want their, their cash to deflate.
So, uh, yeah, I mean, not only is it is important in for, for it to be up to date, but to be aware of how things are constantly changing as well. So. Yeah. I mean, th the big thing I like to see, uh, and then, uh, and then I'll leave us on that note. I like to see a little bit more of a, uh, of an understanding that not everybody is going to make it through the system on their first run.
Um, and there's a lot of. Um, I guess shame or guilt if somebody say is held back a grade or something like that. Um, and I think some people, they might learn a little bit of a slower pace or they might even want to take breaks. So while I there's, there's a previous episode that was very illuminating with Amy Hunt, who is also in the education space.
So our audience, if you haven't checked that one out, you'll see kind of like where my thought process has evolved, but that structure early on is critical for, for, for children to develop and to understand, um, how to make their way in, in a complicated world. But for me, for instance, I still count with my fingers.
So for me, mathematics might be something I need to study, like over the course of my life to be proficient in. And so, um, when I was in school, I was just like surviving math rather than really learning it or letting it sink in. And like I said, I'm still counting with my thing. We all do. So do I. Okay.
That's a relief.
[01:01:09] Ashlie Tess: Yeah, totally. And I think also just evolving as like people is, you know, trying to, uh, perfect our skills and get better with it. Like for me, I still take online courses, you know, to learn more things of how I can be better. Like if someone is interested in doing like graphic design or copywriting, there are different courses you can take and, uh, get better.
So you can do those online jobs too as well. Uh there's you know, different websites like Skillshare or U Demi, they have different courses that you could take and learn. Uh, try to get into the avenue instead of, you know, doing that traditional route as well.
[01:01:52] Joseph: I agree with that. I've, uh, I've had the luxury of talking to people in that space to the, the upside slash downside is, you know, the institution itself as a social setting and you get an opportunity to bond with people in unique way, but you also make enemies too.
So, you know, the ability to, to, to choose those other routes too, as I think is a massively important. So I'd love to see them have as much legitimacy as they can get their hands on. Yeah. Great. Well, that's everything I've got for today. Uh, I guess just to make sure that I didn't like leave a stone unturned.
Did we, were there any other, um, online work avenues that maybe we skipped over that you'd like to let us know about? Cause if not, otherwise I can get you on out of here.
[01:02:32] Ashlie Tess: Um, I guess I just want to leave on a note is where, um, I know there's, there's different like online careers that people can do, right. You know, it might seem a little bit scary or need like a certification, like for instance, like designing websites or, uh, kinda like coding websites.
I think the term might sound a little bit scary and people might think, oh, I don't have that, you know, degree to be able to do this. Like if there's different types of careers online, usually there's different avenues or different, uh, websites or different like cheaper courses you could take to learn those skills to be able to do it.
So I just would like to say basically, if there is something that someone's interested in doing online and it might seem scary, just do a little bit more research and usually there's different avenues you could take to be able to do it.
[01:03:25] Joseph: That makes sense. I think the idea that he comes across as intimidating is probably helpful.
So these, that way, I know that like there as many people as are interested in it and not everybody is committing to it. So, uh, so I think a small element of that does help. You know, mitigate all of the people who are going to maybe like, uh, bring the industry down if they're not fully committed to it. So yeah.
It can be helpful, but I agree. You do have to get over that, that, that fear. Yeah.
[01:03:53] Ashlie Tess: Well, and I think people like the misconception is like, oh, I don't have this four year degree to learn how to code or like, but there's different, like templates and stuff where you actually still can design websites without knowing how to code.
So there's, there's different avenues to be able to do something, even though you might not have the education that you think you should.
[01:04:11] Joseph: Uh, I, I agree with that as well. And with that, so we're going to, uh, we're going to, um, uh, close us out. Um, once again, I really appreciate your time. Uh, I, I learned a lot today and I'm looking forward to passing this episode along to, uh, to those in need.
And so the rapid question is, uh, is also, you know, lots of, lots of podcasts are going to do this is a, if there's like a Chinese proverb, we really like, feel free to share it, you know, stuff like that. And then let the audience know how they can find out more about what you're up to.
[01:04:41] Ashlie Tess: So I wish I knew some Chinese Proverbs, but I mean, most of my students are like, you know, 7, 8, 9 or 10.
So, and our classes are like English only. So they try not to tell me Chinese stuff. But, um, so if you are interested in learning more about where you're from home and seeing these resources, you can find, you can check me out on YouTube. My YouTube is Ashlie Tess, but with Ashlie, with the I E at the end, So make sure you don't put an E Y.
You won't find me. And that's, that's what my YouTube is. So check me out there.
[01:05:17] Joseph: Okay. Excellent. And, and to our audience as always, it's, uh, it's an honor and a privilege to be able to collect and provide this information to all of you. So, uh, thank you all for, for engaging and, and go and go check out Ashley's content.
It's gonna help you out quite a bit. Um, I see myself going back there myself, just to, I mean, me, you know, I'm, I'm doing all right, but there's a lot of people that I want to help out too. So, uh, it's, it's good to know that the resources out there. All right. And with that, take care and we will check in soon.
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